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Post subject: Any CyberTwin users fully understand the Reverb / FX Bypass
Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:02 am
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I wonder if any Cyber Twin users fully understand the Reverb / FX Bypass?
I know the Cyber Twin First and Second Edition amps pretty darn well. The various Reverb and FX input/ output combos, though, I don't really understand.

From the CTSE manual:
"Use to bypass the in or out signals for Reverb “tail” and/or effects. Or, when Vibratone is the active effect, the Rotor Speed Fast/Slow parameter is available for switching between two (adjustable) rotor speeds (see Vibratone, page 20)."

"Values:
FX In
Reverb In
FX Out
Reverb Out
FX & Reverb In
FX In & Reverb Out
FX Out & Reverb In
FX & Reverb Out [Vibratone Rotor Speed Fast/Slow]"

As per usual, the user manual explanation doesn't really make these routings clearer for the user. Where in the signal path does the in or out quoted in each of these settings?
FX in? output from where in the routing? The Reverb? The preamp?
Reverb In? from the FX? from the pre?

I'd love to read a detailed explanation....uh, well, any explanation better than the user manual!

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Post subject: Re: Any CyberTwin users fully understand the Reverb / FX Byp
Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:29 am
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Well, I've been staring at this list of possible selections and decided to check the CTFE manual...which has a deeper explanation:

"Bypass the in or out signals for the internal Reverb and/or effects in any
combination (see Reverb/FX bypass on page 16).
Also, a 9th parameter, [Rotor Speed Fast/Slow] appears only when
Vibratone is the active effect. The footswitch shifts between two
adjustable Rotor Speed settings (see “Vibratone” on page38)."

Further explanation from the caption for the display "screen shot" for this function says:
"The second line on screen indicates
the bypassed portion of the signal.
For example, “Input Only” means
input is bypassed,."

OK, how I understand this now is that whichever choice has been saved to the (current) PROGRAM (or switched to on the fly with a remote application) is how the connected foot SWITCH plugged into the the back panel "RVB / FX BYPASS" (FF) socket will function. Since I do not have this "included" single button switch; nor have I ever tried to use this functionality because I don't have one: I have never heard the effect of flipping this switch.

I didn't ever receive this switch with either of my CT purchases. I wonder if anyone did or has used the CT with this functionality? Possibly I should move these buttons on my remote for ipad to a more "utility" location...because they are just taking up space...Looks I need to get a switch and try it as it could be pretty useful as a real-time performance tool!

Talking to myself, fun stuff :-) If it helps anyone...cool


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Post subject: Re: Any CyberTwin users fully understand the Reverb / FX Byp
Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:42 am
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Glad we could help! :lol:

Both those instructions are Greek to me. I think I understand what it's supposed to do (letting the effects tail off in the reverb when you switch effects, or having them cut off hard when you switch effects) but not clear at all how to rout things.


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Post subject: Re: Any CyberTwin users fully understand the Reverb / FX Byp
Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:40 am
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strayedstrater wrote:
Glad we could help! :lol:

Both those instructions are Greek to me. I think I understand what it's supposed to do (letting the effects tail off in the reverb when you switch effects, or having them cut off hard when you switch effects) but not clear at all how to rout things.


Thanks for chippin' in, man! :wink:
I think you understand it pretty well...this RVB / FX BYPASS is a spillover workaround (or not) depending on how the user wants to manage as they play.

Yeah, the "routing" on a CyberTwin isn't really like modern modelers (I am not saying the Cyber Twin is a modeler, here).

CT is from the age of MIDI Program Change: change from Program 15 to 08 and there won't be any spillover; fx and reverb will chop off tails with the Program Change.

Also, Cyber Twin is a single "effect" at a time; BUT "reverb" (and compression) is separate from the "effects" section. So, you can have a single effect choice loaded and the reverb of your choice. Some of the "effects" are dual effects like chorus+delay, etc; and you cannot change the routing/ placement of effects.

The "REVERB DWELL" parameter controls the amount of "effects" fed to the "reverb" input. So, a user could have effects and reverb separate and swap between the two...just fx or rvb...both on / both off...or feed the effects into the reverb...maybe the reverb could feed the effects? I don't think so...I'll have to try it
in any case, it's some attempt at spillover as long as the user doesn't change Programs; user sets it up within the Program.

talking (typing) it out here has really helped me better understand.
I can see this switch adding some ability beyond how I have been using the amp :-)


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Post subject: Re: Any CyberTwin users fully understand the Reverb / FX Byp
Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:19 am
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hmmmm...I've got an RJM R-16
maybe the R-16 function switches can flip the RVB /FX BYPASS...I check that out :-)


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Post subject: Re: Any CyberTwin users fully understand the Reverb / FX Byp
Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:22 pm
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Hi folks- first time post here and hopefully some kind souls can help me out.
I've just bought a used Cyber Twin (original model) and am knocked out by its versatility and variety of sounds.
It all seems to work fine but the reverb control knob has no effect; there *is* reverb working in the preset tones, but the knob seems to stay turned to the full position and if I try to turn it, there's no audible effect and no sign in the LED display of any adjustment taking place (ie no 'blue bar' appears, unlike when I twiddle the other control knobs)
I'm happy with the presets really - just use the thing for home use - but if there's any sort of reset or service procedure which could get the reverb knob to work properly, I'd love to know.
Thanks for any thoughts.


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Post subject: Re: Any CyberTwin users fully understand the Reverb / FX Byp
Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 6:27 pm
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Feedbacker wrote:
Hi folks- first time post here and hopefully some kind souls can help me out.
I've just bought a used Cyber Twin (original model) and am knocked out by its versatility and variety of sounds.
It all seems to work fine but the reverb control knob has no effect; there *is* reverb working in the preset tones, but the knob seems to stay turned to the full position and if I try to turn it, there's no audible effect and no sign in the LED display of any adjustment taking place (ie no 'blue bar' appears, unlike when I twiddle the other control knobs)
I'm happy with the presets really - just use the thing for home use - but if there's any sort of reset or service procedure which could get the reverb knob to work properly, I'd love to know.
Thanks for any thoughts.

Hi Feedbacker,
A couple of things come to mind regarding your Reverb issues. Clearly you want to determine whether you have a hardware or software issue or if it is just user confusion.

If I understand correctly, your REVERB knob is stuck at 100% ("10" on the knob or 127 midi value).

Is that for every program? Players Lounge (programs which start with a "P"); Fender Custom Shop (programs which start with a "C"); and Your Amp Collection (programs which start with a "A")? If so, (obviously) the REVERB pot might be damaged or some software glitch might have occurred.

What happens after you turn the knob? does it stay at the value you set when you turned it? or does the knob spin back to maximum when you let go? Or does the knob always spin to maximum when you change programs?

The Factory Reset is in the UTILITY menu.

Also, consider Memory Protect might be on if you are only experiencing the issue on P programs. Possibly the previous owner saved some Players Lounge settings with the REVERB set to maximum and set the Memory Protect? Does the REVERB sound like it is 100%? or is the reverb sound as expected and the knob is automatically spinning to max and the REVERB amount remains unchanged? If so, that condition would likely be a fault.

Also, realize the Reverb/FX bypass may have been set to a certain functionality and you might require a footswitch to change the setting (like the purpose of this thread)...(this kinda sounds like it might be your issue...)

Also, you could try to remote control the reverb value from a midi controller or using my ipad remote. The more info you can provide, the better.

cheers,
_todd


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