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Post subject: ToneMaster Twin Reverb?!
Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:56 am
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Anyone try one of these things? Looks exactly like a blackface twin but it weighs like 30 pounds! I wonder if they’ll come out with a ToneMaster Vibro Champ that weighs 2 pounds or something?


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Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:15 am
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A solid-state POS with a "standby" switch?

WTF

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Post subject: Re: ToneMaster Twin Reverb?!
Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:34 am
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Ha ha! You’re right! But, what? No ground switch? :lol:


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Post subject: Re: ToneMaster Twin Reverb?!
Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 3:16 pm
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Didn't they learn anything from the last time they tried a Solid State Twin reverb? You can make em look like their tube brothers but it doesn't change whats inside!

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Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 3:46 pm
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Didn't they learn anything from the last time they tried a Solid State Twin reverb? You can make em look like their tube brothers but it doesn't change whats inside!

+1

Like the poster that used to hang in Mulder's office,"I WANT TO BELIEVE".

Unfortunately, it's just a pipe dream......like unicorns, leprechauns, and Hillary's chances of ever sitting behind the desk in the Oval Office.

And it's not because the technology isn't mature -- it's FMIC's insistence on designing such marvels around proprietary components with very short production runs. Once those parts are gone, there's no way to keep the equipment that uses them in service. In very short order they become orphans -- doorstops then, ultimately, landfill fodder. Ever see a blackface Princeton Reverb in the dump? Never! But I bet if one looks hard enough there's a Mustang or a Cyber Twin buried beneath tons of cardboard, plastic milk jugs, and composting potato peelings.

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Post subject: Re: ToneMaster Twin Reverb?!
Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 6:32 pm
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Retroverbial has a great point, mfg.’s product support. I’d like to think the new Tone Master Series would be supported for 20 years or more, including having Fender Amp Service Centers having the parts for repair. Maybe 20 years product support is a dream, how about 10 years, 5 years? If sales numbers drop, I hope its not replaced or become obsolete. Long live Fender products.

I’m keeping an open mind and thinking it’s not just a repackaged Champion 100, which I own and like. At least the Champion 100 has 16 amp voices with effects and an effects loop. The Champions Twin Reverb model is good sounding, so the Tone Master will sound even better? It should for the cost involved. Good luck to Fender’s new Tone Master Series. ,,,,I just watched a Fender video on the ToneMaster and it is a new designed product.


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Post subject: Re: ToneMaster Twin Reverb?!
Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2019 5:18 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
T2Stratman wrote:
Didn't they learn anything from the last time they tried a Solid State Twin reverb? You can make em look like their tube brothers but it doesn't change whats inside!

+1

Like the poster that used to hang in Mulder's office,"I WANT TO BELIEVE".

Unfortunately, it's just a pipe dream......like unicorns, leprechauns, and Hillary's chances of ever sitting behind the desk in the Oval Office.

And it's not because the technology isn't mature -- it's FMIC's insistence on designing such marvels around proprietary components with very short production runs. Once those parts are gone, there's no way to keep the equipment that uses them in service. In very short order they become orphans -- doorstops then, ultimately, landfill fodder. Ever see a blackface Princeton Reverb in the dump? Never! But I bet if one looks hard enough there's a Mustang or a Cyber Twin buried beneath tons of cardboard, plastic milk jugs, and composting potato peelings.

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+1

Will Fender still support these amps 9 years from now? Will they make schematics available?

It's doubtful. But you will probably be able to buy a Chinese knockoff, so no worries.


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Post subject: Re: ToneMaster Twin Reverb?!
Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:22 pm
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Will Fender still support these amps 9 years from now? Will they make schematics available?

Hell, they no longer make the picks I've been using for the past thirty-seven years!

I don't see any need whatsoever to give FMIC a dime anymore.

¡Adios, payasos!

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Post subject: Re: ToneMaster Twin Reverb?!
Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:38 pm
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T2Stratman wrote:
Didn't they learn anything from the last time they tried a Solid State Twin reverb? You can make em look like their tube brothers but it doesn't change whats inside!

:lol:

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You would think they would have learned, but then they did it again with the Stage Lead 212, which actually has a decent clean channel. Maybe that gave them the idea to try again?

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Post subject: Re: ToneMaster Twin Reverb?!
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:45 am
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To the best of my knowledge, Fender Musical Instruments Corporation is owned by a handful of companies, only about half of which have any relation whatsoever to the musical instrument business and the ones that do are only minor shareholders. I think it is unlikely Fender will ever return to being the kind of company we remember with fondness.

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Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 2:10 pm
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Well, I've listened to video demos of the two new Tone Masters and read comments by people that have actually played them. They seem great. Reasonably priced, aimed at doing one thing extremely well, light weight, upgradable, with some modern features for recording and performing that improve over the classic design. I think there's a real market for a digital modeling amp that does one emulation extremely well and the entire amp is designed to do that one thing. I'd sure like to have one for performing. Everybody that has played these things raves about them. Naturally I'll reserve final judgement until they ship and I can check it out myself. But until then it seems kind of pointless to declare them a failure sight unseen.


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Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:57 am
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I think it is unlikely Fender will ever return to being the kind of company we remember with fondness.

+1

I wish you were wrong but I fear you are not.

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Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:02 am
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BMW-KTM wrote:
I think it is unlikely Fender will ever return to being the kind of company we remember with fondness.


I've been playing since 1964 and for most of that time people have been complaining about "Fender isn't what it used to be". This started with the CBS acquisition and continued right up to the present day. As far as 1964 and prior to that, Fender products were variable, only had rough standardization, used the cheapest parts available to get the job done, changed spec often with little or no documentation. I'm not really sure the company we remember with fondness ever really existed.


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Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:14 pm
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I'm not really sure the company we remember with fondness ever really existed.

I'm not sure you really exist, pal.

So you've been playing since 1964. How many Fender amps have you owned or do you own?

Since '66 I've owned about sixty of them and I currently have fourteen vintage pieces spanning the years 1964 through 1981. Every one of them is superior in every respect to the absolute junk that FMIC is currently offering. The fact that there are still so many vintage Fender amps around speaks volumes as to their quality AND logistical supportability. And don't start badmouthing the CBS era -- every blackface amp built from 5 January 1965 until the silverfaces replaced them was a CBS product. And those amps command the highest prices.

You talk like a man with a paper anus in a forest fire.

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Post subject: Re: ToneMaster Twin Reverb?!
Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:30 pm
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So my opinion differs from your opinion. Stuff the insults, I'm here to talk about the gear. I've also owned over 40 Fender amps over the years from the early tweeds on through to the late 70's models and virtually every permutation. They varied a lot. Some were great some were average and some just sounded bad until the problems from the factory got corrected. Leo's corner cutting and cheap component preference was well documented. Sometimes it worked. Sometimes it didn't. As far as CBS they're the geniuses that gave us the Zodiac series. Fender made some great stuff, some good stuff, some OK stuff and some truly awful stuff. That's pretty much just like everybody else in that era. As far as the current company they do some great stuff, some OK stuff and some not so OK stuff. But very little is truly awful. They've managed to produce some incredible low end guitars that are perfectly good even for professional use. And they have a much wider variety of options. Also, your insult skills are extremely limited and childish. But carry on, you'll continue to make my point.


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