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Post subject: Re: PLEASE NOTE: Fender® FUSE™ is no longer actively support
Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:31 am
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Fender has so many other new products they’re dealing with can you really expect them to keep up with everything since 1946?

Time marches on, out with the old in with the new.

It is the acceptance of "out with the old, and in with the new" that is completely destroying QUALITY in my opinion. Corporations find very, very minimal ways to extract money from the minions that buy into the concept.

EXAMPLE: Apple, Google, and Samsung come out with a new "version" of $1,000+ cell phone and/or computer every freaking year...and sheeple (yes, I said sheeple) buy them every single time, thinking they are keeping up with and buying THE best product on the market...because it must be the best, since it is the newest.
And I say that as I'm typing on my Windows 7 Toshiba Satelite C655-S5512 with Internet Explorer 11 that works just fine despite Windows BEGGING me to upgrade to crappy Windows 10, and Google's constant "warning" that my Yahoo Mail is not gonna work properly if I don't switch to Chrome or Firefox---for now I continue to ignore these warnings, and everything is still working just fine.
And every time I pick up my $42 Motorola Moto e5 Go pre-paid phone to make a call, text, or browse the internet...it works just as good, just as fast, and just as reliable as any phone out there...and I will use it until it dies, then I'll spend another $42.

Don't even get me started on how much better cars and trucks were when they were 100% mechanical, versus todays electronic junk that has a "sensor" for everything and a "check engine" light that never shuts off because you've put 500 miles on a fresh synthetic oil change.


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Post subject: Re: PLEASE NOTE: Fender® FUSE™ is no longer actively support
Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:06 am
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On the new cars versus old cars issue I have mixed impressions.

On the one hand I hate things like drive-by-wire where I am not in control of my own vehicle and the car decides for me how much throttle opening I'm going to get in a given situation.
I'm also not a fan of how modern advancements in things like traction control and ABS allow them to increasingly mask just exactly how very, very, very bad a front-wheel-drive system really is.
If it were not for those things front drive cars would have been made illegal decades ago.
I remember the first front drive cars, built before there was a such thing as ABS or traction control.
Even on dry pavement they were a handful to keep on the road.
In snow and ice they were death-traps.
An inherently inferior design which is propped up by technology that masks that fact.
It's cheaper so the car companies like it and that's why they spent years convincing us it was a better system.
Nowadays it's almost as good as RWD but that is ONLY because of traction control and ABS.
Take those things away and you're back to taking your life in your hands.
And no, that is not an overstatement.
If you never drove a 1971 Honda CVCC (later models were renamed Civic) in the mountains in the wintertime in snow and ice then you have no idea how close to death you were at any given moment.
I do remember.


On the other hand, modern CNC machining gives us engines and transmissions and drivelines that are made to much tighter tolerances and as such they don't leak as much oil and they last longer.
In the 60s and 70s once you got 100,000 miles (160,000 kms) on a car you knew that was the end of it's useable life.
It could stop dead any day now and you were just hoping and praying every day.
Now people complain if they don't get 200,000 miles out of a car before it dies.

It's the same with guitars.
The wood isn't as good anymore; the old growth trees are mostly gone and companies flirt with other species looking for alternatives but at the same time CNC machining is making the consistency of parts much better.
It's still important to try every Strat in the store before choosing but it is nowhere NEAR as important as it was back in the day.
Bodies, necks, pickups, they're all much more consistent than they were back when everything was done by hand.

The quality argument is a story with two sides.

This business of Fender abandoning FUSE is not a story with two sides.

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Post subject: Re: PLEASE NOTE: Fender® FUSE™ is no longer actively support
Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:16 am
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On the new cars versus old cars issue I have mixed impressions.


I share your sentiments Matt, but on the whole I think that contemporary motor vehicles are safer, more comfortable, more eco-friendly (Gawd, I can't believe I'm actually saying that!), and cheaper to operate than the dinosaurs from Detroit that most car aficionados fawn over. I love my '69 Chevelle SS396 but for a road trip I definitely prefer our Honda Pilot. It may not be as sexy but it's equipped with nearly every creature comfort known to man and averages 24 MPG on the interstate.

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Post subject: Re: PLEASE NOTE: Fender® FUSE™ is no longer actively support
Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:25 am
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Yup ....
Same here.

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Post subject: Re: PLEASE NOTE: Fender® FUSE™ is no longer actively support
Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 11:07 am
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Relic G Man wrote:
Fender has so many other new products they’re dealing with can you really expect them to keep up with everything since 1946?

Time marches on, out with the old in with the new.


No one is expecting Fender to support a 1946 product. Hell, I don't expect Fender to support anything here on the forums.

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One important point: this is an enthusiast forum – it is NOT a customer service forum nor will any customer service issues be addressed by Fender here.


The support here comes mostly from other forumites offering advice on a multitude of problems some participant might be experiencing. Often very good advice. But not from Fender.

Why lock a sub-forum just because Fender no longer supports software that products they still sell utilize that software? The questions will still show up in another sub-forum.

I think Fender is taking a calculated risk here, they've pissed offed their customers, but they've also given ammunition to them to negotiate a "deal" on those products from a dealer. Now they've pissed offed their dealers too. My guess is those products will soon disappear from Fender's website, but they will be still be on their dealer's shelves for a while.

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BMW-KTM wrote:
On the new cars versus old cars issue I have mixed impressions.


I share your sentiments Matt, but on the whole I think that contemporary motor vehicles are safer, more comfortable, more eco-friendly (Gawd, I can't believe I'm actually saying that!), and cheaper to operate than the dinosaurs from Detroit that most car aficionados fawn over. I love my '69 Chevelle SS396 but for a road trip I definitely prefer our Honda Pilot. It may not be as sexy but it's equipped with nearly every creature comfort known to man and averages 24 MPG on the interstate.

Arjay


I'm thinking GM's 4-6-8 here. Remember that?

I got to drive a Ferrari F430 once, it was great fun, but not practical. Same for a muscle car from the late 60's.

My big question here is how will Fender support their products in the future. The darling of Summer Namm, the tone master versions of the Deluxe reverb, or the twin reverb? "Massive digital processing power." Four words strung together that would send me running away from any amp. Smacks of proprietary programming in some digital module that you can only get from Fender. Is a $900 or $1000 dollar amp disposable?


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Post subject: Re: PLEASE NOTE: Fender® FUSE™ is no longer actively support
Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:47 pm
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I'm thinking GM's 4-6-8 here. Remember that?
If you are referring to the Cadillac (something)Star engine I do vaguely recall it. If memory serves it was not a smash hit. (Was it NorthStar?)

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I got to drive a Ferrari F430 once
Cool. I got to drive a 308GTB for about 10 minutes. I was at a house party in Calgary in the home of some rich dude. A crowd had gathered in the garage with people drooling over his Magnum PI car. The rich dude was impressed by my knowledge of his ride and offered to take me for a ride. He stopped and let me get behind the wheel for a while. Twitchy, nervous beast but an experience I will never forget.

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Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:26 pm
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If you are referring to the Cadillac (something)Star engine I do vaguely recall it. If memory serves it was not a smash hit. (Was it NorthStar?)

One of my maternal uncles bought one of those POFS. It never ran right and the only fix the GM dealer could come up with was to disconnect the system entirely so the powerplant (an already anemic 5.7L) ran as a conventional V8. Mom always said he was a couple of tacos short of a combo plate so he and the crippled Caddie were a good fit......

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Post subject: Re: PLEASE NOTE: Fender® FUSE™ is no longer actively support
Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:53 pm
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vinyl wrote:
Relic G Man wrote:
Fender has so many other new products they’re dealing with can you really expect them to keep up with everything since 1946?

Time marches on, out with the old in with the new.


No one is expecting Fender to support a 1946 product. Hell, I don't expect Fender to support anything here on the forums.


I said all products created by Fender starting in 1946 all the way up to this day. Damn!!! :roll:


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Post subject: Re: PLEASE NOTE: Fender® FUSE™ is no longer actively support
Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:35 pm
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couple of tacos short of a combo plate
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Yes, I too recall there being a lot of hubbub over how bad that motor was.
And now that I think about it a little more I believe it WAS called NorthStar but Wiki makes no mention of a 350 (5.7) and I know the original one was a 350.
Some customer of my dad's had one.
My father was very proud of minding his language and keeping it clean.
Some things brought out the worst in him, though and I think the NorthStar was one of them.
Anything related to a VW Beetle could also bring out the sailor in him.
He got to the point he would turn people away if they came in with a Beetle.

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Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:08 pm
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Anything related to a VW Beetle could also bring out the sailor in him.
He got to the point he would turn people away if they came in with a Beetle.
:lol: ROTFL . Uh oh. I know what that means. My Dad wouldn’t co-sign for the first car I chose. It was a tricked out cherry red Super Beetle with chromed snake pipes. He complained the engine wouldn’t allow him to hear the Blaupunkt (he was right). If that wasn’t bad enough, he was a sailor, I was a sailor, and even Mom was during WWII so I get that. Some sailors hate VW. Sometimes, we’d try another language for emphasis or to water it down a little. :P But, generally we were pretty docile. :wink:
It didn’t end there, however. My kid brother didn’t sail the seas and he had a show car VW dune buggy. 8)
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Post subject: Re: PLEASE NOTE: Fender® FUSE™ is no longer actively support
Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:32 pm
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Relic G Man wrote:
I said all products created by Fender starting in 1946 all the way up to this day. Damn!!! :roll:
Bro....nobody understands what you're trying to say with that comment. Including (and especially me.)
Please clarify, since you've said it twice.


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Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:46 pm
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He's shouting at the wind.
Leave him be.
We're having way more fun talking about cars.

Fender stopped supporting FUSE.
We got that. Check.
We covered that. Check.
We understand that. Check.

Yup. It's a crappy deal.
Not much any of us can do about it.
Even Fender says this is an enthusiast site.
It's not for customer support.
There's nothing else to be said on that here.

So .... back on topic.
My dad's dad (grampa) loved VWs.
He had at least 5 that I know of and I'm pretty sure there must have been more before my time.
3 Beetles, a Ghia and a Type 3 that I rode in for sure.

No. Seriously.
The FUSE thing.
What else can we say about it?
It sucks.
It's a sign of the times.
It could easily happen to me at some point with my Helix and I'm still ready to move on.
There's nothing more to do here.
Sorry.
It is what it is.

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Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:51 pm
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It could easily happen to me at some point with my Helix and I'm still ready to move on.

I agree with you, Matt. It is what it is, and we’re no strangers to the world of the downsides of jumping in with expectations that technology is going to be with us as we desire. Human decision is most often the catalyst.

57 Chevies and muscle cars evolved into anti pollution slugs. Beta bowed down to VHS, HD DVD (I liked it better) lost out to Blu-ray, CDs are losing to flash drives, 3D TV came and went, DVDs stands aside for VOD and PVRs, Strats came with personality cards, Photobucket is historical here, browser support dropped, Apple iTunes vacating raises questions, and the list goes on. Should we be surprised about FUSE? Nope. Disappointed, just like many other events? Maybe.

Usable and limited AM/FM stations make my component tuner close to useless now. On the coast I had over 40 stations to pick from. :roll: Like everything, alternatives are there for the grabbing or maybe it and others have had their day.

That brings up a curious question for you, Matt.

Any similar or specific quirks with your Helix in programming or it’s support so far?

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Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:59 pm
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There is one glitch in the system.
Line-6 says it's a hardware issue (I think they are right) but my warranty period has long since elapsed.
I just avoid the issue by putting up with a minor inconvenience.

There is a hardware button in edit mode that takes you directly to the amp model.
Everything is a model on those things.
The amp, the cabinet, the delays, the choruses, the overdrives, everything.
So there is a hard button that if you are in edit mode takes you directly to the amp model so you can tweak it.
There are no speed buttons for any other parameters, just the amp.
Any other models I wish to tweak, I have to navigate to.
Sometimes, not every time, if I hit that one button the operating system will freeze.
If that happens I can wait a few minutes and it will eventually free up or I can power down and reboot.
It never happens in performance mode because I don't touch the the hand operated controls, only the footswitches.

To prevent the freeze-up I use the joystick to navigate to the amp model and avoid touching that button.
I should have purchased an extended warranty.
L&M sent me an email after 11 months offering me to buy a longer warranty period.
It had performed flawlessly up to that point so I ignored it.
At about the 18 month mark I started noticing it freezing during editing.

I may bite the bullet and have the thing fixed at my expense.
Then again, I may not.
Like I said, it is not an issue for using it, only when editing/tweaking and it can be avoided.

Beyond that one glitch it's been a good product and I keep getting better at getting great tone out of it.
The secret is to let moderation be your guide.
I found the same with my last Line-6, the AX2-212.
Dial everything back, like way back and it sounded better.
Some of the tactics I use on every patch are to include a noise-gate at the front of the chain.
Even on a clean patch the noise-gate is the first thing I install.
It's just so much nicer to have dead silence when I stop playing.
Another tactic is the very last thing I install on every single patch is a 10 band EQ for final tone shaping before the signal leaves the unit.
I also use on average three models for my solo-boost subroutines.
By stepping on whichever foot-switch I assign to be solo-boost, I engage no less than three items: a compressor, an overdrive and an additional 7 band EQ dedicated just to that circuit, in that order.
The compressor provides sustain and helps the boost to blossom on held notes.
The overdrive I sometimes set to add more grit or sometimes just more signal, like a clean boost, depends on what I'm going for on that bank.
The EQ allows me to choose an overdrive based on the kind of "hair" I like but without having to accept the EQ of that particular OD.
All of the OD models are pretty good approximations of the real deal so the Screamer is EQ'd like an 808 with a mid push, which I can either take as is or accentuate if I like or mitigate if I choose using the dedicated EQ.
On particularly chunky banks I'll have two compressors in my solo-boost loop instead of one and I'll also add a plate reverb.
The sub will be compressor, OD, compressor, 'verb, EQ.
By compressing the signal just before the 'verb I can encourage more than just blossom.
I can get it to squeal pretty much on command.
With that feature pinch harmonics are a breeze.
They just occur naturally and in the right place at the right time, like a high gain amp at full tilt boogie.

There is only so much room in each patch so I have to be careful not to install too much stuff or I get an Out-Of-Memory error message or Bank-Full message.
I have 8 banks total so far, 4 of which are my main banks and the other 4 I use mostly for experimentation.
My 4 main banks are called Clean, Clean Pushed, Rock 'n Roll and Crunch
Each bank allows me 8 foot-switch functions to which I can assign whatever I like.
Tremolo, Uni-Vibe, Phaser, whatever.
In my clean bank I have a foot-switch function called TremoVerb which engages three items: a tremolo set to mimic a 63 210 Vibroverb and the two 'verbs in equal proportions; a spring and a plate.
It gives me a better-than-Fender pulsing Fender tone.
Engage that with the bridge pup of my Tele and Long Cool Woman never sounded so good.
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Post subject: Re: PLEASE NOTE: Fender® FUSE™ is no longer actively support
Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:41 am
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Relic G Man wrote:
I said all products created by Fender starting in 1946 all the way up to this day. Damn!!! :roll:
Bro....nobody understands what you're trying to say with that comment. Including (and especially me.)
Please clarify, since you've said it twice.


Yeah White Dog, Like BMW-KTM said, I’m shouting at the wind, or at least that’s what it seems like.


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