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Post subject: Converter: 68 Custom FSW -> Boss ES-5
Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:14 am
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Hi there,

As I understand it, the 68 Custom Deluxe uses a footswitch that isn’t compatible with amp channel switching controls on the Boss ES-5.

Does Fender or anyone else make a converter? Or could I make a box if I can solder? I don’t understand schematics very well so any pointers in the right direction would be much appreciated.

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Post subject: Re: Converter: 68 Custom FSW -> Boss ES-5
Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 6:58 am
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The '68 CDR isn't a channel-switching amp. To change from one channel to the other, you unplug your guitar cable and plug it into the other channel.

No relays, switches, or footpedal for channel switching.

You can put an a/b/y box up front so you can use either or both channels.

I'm not aware of any a/b/y boxes that have external triggers to allow a multi-fx to control switching. But I've never looked for that feature -- maybe there are some a/b/y boxes that can do that.
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No effects loop on the '68CDR either. So you can't do the 4 cable method to fully exploit the capabilities of most modern multiFX boxes.
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The '68CDR isn't meant to be a "modern" amp. No master volume, no high gain, no channel switching, no loop. They have the SuperSonic 22 to fill that niche.

The '68CDR is meant to be a "hot rodded vintage-style" amp. Like a normal DR with a few of the simple mods many owners do to those amps.


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Post subject: Re: Converter: 68 Custom FSW -> Boss ES-5
Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 7:39 am
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Looked up the ES 5 and see it's a programmable switcher, not a multiFX. Allows you to switch groups of discrete pedals/functions.

Google suggests "Champion" and "NUX" make remote controlled a/b/y boxes that might work with with the ES 5.

There are some MIDI controlled a/b/y boxes that would work with the ES 5.


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Post subject: Re: Converter: 68 Custom FSW -> Boss ES-5
Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:26 am
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To turn your 68 into a channel switching rig use an A/B box between the guitar and the amp.
Plug your guitar into the A/B box input.
Plug the two outputs of the A/B box into both sides of the 68.
Then you can have the two channels set differently and switch back and forth between them with the A/B box.

If you will also be using the Boss ES-5 then the A/B box should be placed between the two 68 inputs and the lone ES-5 output.
There is no way for your ES-5 to switch the channels since the 68 is not a switching amp as strayedstrater quite rightly pointed out.

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Post subject: Re: Converter: 68 Custom FSW -> Boss ES-5
Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:27 am
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Thanks guys, sorry I wasn’t clear.

You can use the channel switching on the ES-5 to switch Trem/Reverb on a Twin but because the 68 custom uses a mono guitar cable, it uses a different system.

I did find this arrangement: https://www.diystompboxes.com/smfforum/ ... c=114817.0

So am thinking about wiring it into a little box unless anyone has a better idea.

Cheers and sorry for the confusion.

Ben


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Post subject: Re: Converter: 68 Custom FSW -> Boss ES-5
Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:07 pm
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Ahhh, I think I understand. There's a latching switch function on the ES 5 (that they call the "channel" switch, because many channel-switching amps use latching switches), and you want to use it to turn the reverb and trem on/off.

I'm surprised and annoyed to discover that Fender uses their modern electronic logic switching switching for reverb and trem on the '68CDR. Whose stupid idea was that? Are the reverb and trem digital on the CDR?

The Twin Reverb Reissue and Deluxe Reverb Reissue use latching switches for reverb and trem like the original Twin and Deluxe (just different jacks & plugs), so compatible with the ES 5 "channel" switch.

Yes, something like that diode scheme in your linked thread would work. But that's way above my paygrade.

Hopeful one of the smart people will review your link and confirm which diodes go where.


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Post subject: Re: Converter: 68 Custom FSW -> Boss ES-5
Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:29 pm
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Hmmmmm.

So if you lose any of Fender's electronic footswitches, instead of buying a new one for $50 you could just build a breakout box and use any plain old latching footswitch?

Or add diodes to that plain old latching footswitch?


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Post subject: Re: Converter: 68 Custom FSW -> Boss ES-5
Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:38 am
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strayedstrater wrote:
Hmmmmm.

So if you lose any of Fender's electronic footswitches, instead of buying a new one for $50 you could just build a breakout box and use any plain old latching footswitch?

Or add diodes to that plain old latching footswitch?

Hell, someone could go into the business of providing these at a discount vs OEM. Oops, hope nobody runs with that idea. This is why the Fender Mustang footswitch was designed by aliens.


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Post subject: Re: Converter: 68 Custom FSW -> Boss ES-5
Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:59 am
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ghost_of_strings wrote:
strayedstrater wrote:
Hmmmmm.

So if you lose any of Fender's electronic footswitches, instead of buying a new one for $50 you could just build a breakout box and use any plain old latching footswitch?

Or add diodes to that plain old latching footswitch?

Hell, someone could go into the business of providing these at a discount vs OEM. Oops, hope nobody runs with that idea. This is why the Fender Mustang footswitch was designed by aliens.


A lot of new multiFX units include latching switches that can control compatible amp functions, so you can control everything at one time from the multiFX instead of also having to tap dance on both the amp's footswitch and the multiFX. And most of the programmable switchers like the ES 5 have that feature.

And a surprising number of Fender amps on eBay have somehow lost their footswitches. (Losing socks in the laundry baffles me -- how the hell do people lose footswitches?)

There very well could be a market for adapters that let latching switches control modern Fenders. Carl turned a box, 2 jacks, and a volume pot into a business.

Sometimes I wish I was ambitious...

(Patent infringement? Maybe check on that before starting a company. For private use you can certainly build your own without litigation.)


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Post subject: Re: Converter: 68 Custom FSW -> Boss ES-5
Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:18 am
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Oh, FMIC -- you've had a working relationship with Roland/Boss, and you seem to be trying to expand your pedal business. Might be a fancy multiFX or switcher in your future?

Some people with fancy rigs may be passing up certain Fender amps because their rigs can't control them.

Might consider making a latching adapter and preemptively owning that niche market, instead of waiting to sue some entrepreneur who tries to meet an unfilled market demand.


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