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Post subject: Re: Some Hot Rod Series amps Made in China?
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 6:03 pm
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Even after all these years of watching the public trend changing, I still have trouble understanding how people can pay $2k and $3k and sometimes more for a prestigious American made guitar and then feel it is in perfect balance and cosmic harmony playing it through a $500 disposable Chinese POS.


A sad reality indeed.

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Post subject: Re: Some Hot Rod Series amps Made in China?
Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 9:25 pm
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What bunch of Crap! I'm going to power rant!!!
Really a lot of gear snobs floating around here. I didn't know the “Greatest selling amp of all time” was such a piece of crap. Must be a lot of deft musicians around the world. RIGHT?

HOT ROD SERIES
Well... here to tell you the ML HRDeviile retired my vintage 1972 Twin Reverb. It was just the better amp! Period! Premier Guitar seemed to agree with me putting a Pre CBS 67 Twin Reverb up against a ML HRDevile and coming away with the same opinion. LOL "How's that happen?" a Mexican PCB amp sounding better than an American PRE CBS VINTAGE AMP? MIM piece of crap? WTF?

Tone stack is a tone stack. There are good ones and there are bad ones. I love how you people regurgitate internet crap on the HRDeluxe too... which "outside the Drive" has a very decent clean 50ish type tone stack and with a little tweaking (bigger cap value at C23 and a treble pot mod i.e. 100k pot w/ 01uF cap at c11) that Drive & More drive/lead boost becomes more than serviceable! (becomes as good as your favorite dirt pedal through the clean channel!)

Now on to Chinese PCB manufacturing... Again LMAO! U cork sniffers do realize China is the leading manufacture in PCB's. (lead''s the world in quality, manufacturing and R&D technology and engineering) You do realize this. RIGHT? If not... Ummmmm you really should check into what the experts outside the internet amp hack world say about Chinese vacuum tubes too... Let’s talk the Fender Mexico factory. You do realize that the amp side of that plant is extremely automated… I didn’t know that you cork sniffers could weld with perfect flux/heat and solder as well as a computer robot?
So you don’t experience weld issues with your PT to PT and turret board IC’s??? BS! If you say no!
For a cheap amp... PCB and all... SURE ARE A LOT OF 1990's HRDeluxe's still working and gigging! Made in 95 now 2016.... isn't that 21 yrs? The HRDeluxe has way more positives than negatives going for it. Great cleans, able to play in a plethora of venues because of its wattage, great portability, pedal friendly, gigging work horse…. No wonder it’s the most popular back line amp in the world.

Your comments smacked of ignorance when it comes to the HR series and Fender and pretty much electronics as a whole… ya look good when no one is around….

looking at PCB RI's amps with the "same" schematics and the same component values as a vintage amp and thinking somehow that hand wired vintage amp sounds better is BS!

(FYI PT to PT have to be wired resistance wise… perfect to match the average voltage resistance of the cheapest PCB... look up voltage resistance and IC performance and consistency next time you're in the books kiddies... then consult an Electrical Engineer on what he/she thinks of your PT to PT compared to PCB… guess what? You’re not coming away with the laundry list of pros vs PCB cons as you think you are!

Vintage amp sounds the same just older than RI’s. The same components and the same values results in the same tones! Schematics are schematics! Maybe your vintage OT gives the amp a little more or less fissle or sizzle.. but in the end...

A Deluxe tone stack from the pre CBS sounds like a Deluxe tone stack from the RI era... "IF THE SCHEMATIC IS USED and THE SAME COMPONET VALUES ARE THE SAME! reguardless of PCB, Turret mediums !!!

Your splitting hairs and fudging over minutia! Cork sniffers try to sell their fudging and minutia as truth…. Nothing but BS! In the end a good tone stack is a good tone stack! Caps got to be change after time...on every amp! They don't last and when that happens... there goes your precious vintage tone (Not that it was much different than its modern RI anyway…. )

Oh you think your vintage amp has better made components than the cheaper Made in Mexico ones…. NOT! GUESS AGAIN! Because of modern manufacturing (mainly overseas in China!) Electronic components are made 10x better than in the 1970's or before ( more consistent, last longer, perform the task better etc etc etc and are….. “dare I say it.... MADE cheaper!”

Too many sites on the internet telling you just what I wrote… try getting off this site once in a while. exspecially if you think you can float that BS past me or the rest of the world.


Misconception touted by internet amp hacks….amp sounds better because it has better components…. LMAO! because an amp's tone is the "some of the whole........" one has to go all out with the $$ on total component quality to get that amp tone to move a mm on the "better tonality chart". Once again it’s the tone stack design that matters most... NOT PCB or PT TO PT or quality of components.

Seeing a trend here??? Are ya? (hands waiving in the air here! )

You just plane don't know what you’re doing with electronics if you view a PCB IC any different that a PT to PT/Turret IC. A schematic is a schematic. It does "XYZ"! If you know what you doing you can retrace leads on a PCB as easy as re-wiring a Pt to Pt. Noooooooo PCB's don't breakdown like old newspaper! Traces don't lift from amp use. Unless you think polymers and plastics somehow degrade faster than wood...) It’s All internet BS... NO voltage doesn't jump traces when a PCB gets old etc etc etc...again all BS!

Modern PCB amps are color coded have O-scope wave test points diagramed on their schematics to make them "MORON" proof when diagnosing them! Right? YOU Can’t find a cracked trace on a PCB? Because U think PCBs are cheap and made in China… Once again… Yep! it's only true if you're a hack at repairing electronics and can’t read/ know what test points are for!

I remember a bunch of cork sniffers like yourselves making fun of Japanese electronics back in the 70's...
Then what happened…? oh wait… didn’t this already happen with amps back in the 90’s.. (overseas making as good sounding guitar amps for cheaper… using PCB's Oh my bad …

Just to get my point across with the last half of my rant, here are a few Youtube comparisons of Fender made in Mexico PCB amps compared to boutique or vintage amps



tremolux used $1300 Excelsior used $250.. IMO the Excelsior kills thte Trem!.



Two Rock $3000 a Deluxe $999.00 Hear a 2,000 difference ? I don't!



The 65 Princeton kinda takes the cake doesn't it? Blues Jr doesn't sound all that bad either does it.. For the price of that that Carr you buy all three Fenders...


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Post subject: Re: Some Hot Rod Series amps Made in China?
Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:29 pm
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BOOM! Goes the truth grenade! The stately columns of the Forum shake as our hero destroys the old gods and plants his standard of Truth in the ruins. The banner proudly proclaims TONE STACK.
Then our crusader simply wisks back into the nothingness he exists in.


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Post subject: Re: Some Hot Rod Series amps Made in China?
Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:38 pm
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TimsAudio wrote:
BOOM! Goes the truth grenade! The stately columns of the Forum shake as our hero destroys the old gods and plants his standard of Truth in the ruins. The banner proudly proclaims TONE STACK.
Then our crusader simply wisks back into the nothingness he exists in.


LMAO :lol:
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Post subject: Re: Some Hot Rod Series amps Made in China?
Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 2:10 pm
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TimsAudio wrote:
BOOM! Goes the truth grenade! The stately columns of the Forum shake as our hero destroys the old gods and plants his standard of Truth in the ruins. The banner proudly proclaims TONE STACK.
Then our crusader simply wisks back into the nothingness he exists in.


LOL! Well Stated!

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Post subject: Re: Some Hot Rod Series amps Made in China?
Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 4:17 pm
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Can anyone find ANY quote in this thread (previous to the Crusader's Straw Man tirade) where ANYONE has stated ANYTHING about the following?:

- PCB sound worse (ie - same Handwired circuit sounds better than PCB version) - where was this stated?
- PCB somehow changes the component values on a schematic - where was this stated?
- "Vintage Tone" is defined by caps that don't need replacement and is different than "Reissue Tone" - where was this stated?
- Construction method (again PCB vs PTP) determines an amp's sound over Tone Stack design - where was this stated?
- PCB's will break down like newspaper and traces lift from amp usage - where was this stated?
- Voltage jumps the PCB traces when an amp gets old - where was this stated?
- Cracked traces are endemic to and can't be found on Chinese made PCB's - where was this stated?
- Good sounding amps can't be made using PCB's - where was this stated?


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Post subject: Re: Some Hot Rod Series amps Made in China?
Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 4:39 pm
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Of no importance, Snowy.

The excretavore feels better.

And that's what counts.

:lol:

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Post subject: Re: Some Hot Rod Series amps Made in China?
Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 5:35 pm
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Now Snowy, you should know better than to chew on those poison words. Lets just pull them out of our broken bodies and bury that sh*t before you get an infection.
Stratle, go over there and pull that toppled column off of Retro. He looks pi**ed
Mud, get down there in the center and see if you can get that sacred firebottle glowing again.
Beemer, This assault on cork sniffing cannot go unpunished. Can U hack a HRDX?


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Post subject: Re: Some Hot Rod Series amps Made in China?
Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 6:07 pm
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Now on to Chinese PCB manufacturing... Again LMAO! U cork sniffers do realize China is the leading manufacture in PCB's. (lead''s the world in quality, manufacturing and R&D technology and engineering) You do realize this. RIGHT?

Yeah. I also realize that cows are the leading producers of manure.


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Post subject: Re: Some Hot Rod Series amps Made in China?
Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 6:08 pm
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TimsAudio wrote:
Now Snowy, you should know better than to chew on those poison words. Lets just pull them out of our broken bodies and bury that sh*t before you get an infection.
Stratle, go over there and pull that toppled column off of Retro. He looks pi**ed
Mud, get down there in the center and see if you can get that sacred firebottle glowing again.
Beemer, This assault on cork sniffing cannot go unpunished. Can U hack a HRDX?


:lol: No need to do a hack job on a HRDX , for such occasions I have a special guitar cable with slightly oversize Chinese 1/4" jacks, when inserted into the plastic input jack of a HRDX the plastic input jack cracks, it'll do the trick, works every time. :twisted:


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Post subject: Re: Some Hot Rod Series amps Made in China?
Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 6:45 pm
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Post subject: Re: Some Hot Rod Series amps Made in China?
Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:15 pm
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pcalugaru......the only member of this forum with less friends than me.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Post subject: Re: Some Hot Rod Series amps Made in China?
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 12:00 am
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It's been a couple of days since I visited this thread.
I always miss all the fun, dammit!!
Oh well. At least I caused it this time !!
:D :D :D

This is just a speculation but from reading that rant and realizing Snowy is quite correct about all the stuff that wasn't actually said but was still argued against anyway ..... I'm guessing buddy has a whole lot of hours put into some kind of word processing document detailing every snappy answer for every little complaint ever made about those amps and he's got his finger on the trigger just waiting for an opportunity to pounce with it.

((( Here we go .... that guy's gonna be sorry he ever met me. Open up Word .... quick copy and paste and BLAMMO!!! Gotcha sucker!! )))

One wonders how many hours it took to build that treatise.

And I bet it's really nice ... having such a great life that this is what you live for.

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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 4:41 pm
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I do believe you called that one perfectly!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:57 pm
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And I bet it's really nice ... having such a great life that this is what you live for.


+1

And the only real interruption is when his momma hollers down to the basement to tell him that supper is ready.

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