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Post subject: Re: Pawn Shop Excelsior Pro - will it increase in value?
Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 8:59 am
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Shane , some say it is a cool amp just because from outside it look cool at there eyes.

What make this the amp special ? Sough after ?
Is this amp will be a piece of history ? IMO no.
Inside there is nothing different or special and better than any mass products amps.

Which guitar heroes use them ? This may help to keep the value.

Hoping to get back to a more objective non-attacking discussion:
1) Special and sought after?- I'd say at least unique, certainly not the typical Fender tone/sound. Seems more of a throwback to the old one or two knob amps of the 50's from several makers.
2) Piece of history?- not in/of itself, only so far as perhaps recreating some historical vibe, but with a new release.
3) Different from other mass produced amps?- Again only in it's vibe from most recent production units.
4) I'll interpret 'guitar heros' as current full-time, well known professionals.- Mike Campbell lead guitarist for Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers. In one of his interviews a couple of years back he said there was some discussion with Fender about making it a signature amp with the same electronics and a Tweed covering.
Obviously that didn't happen.

Yes, it's mass produced with nowhere near the apparent quality of the old vintage, hand-wired Fenders. But,there are lots of items that appreciate in value in spite of being average (or even less) in quality. Different factors drive that: uniqueness, availability, and of course, personal taste. I seriously doubt you'll ever see it coveted by up and coming professionals and wouldn't buy one with thoughts toward funding retirement, but still, I think it may appreciate. Just maybe :?:

Wish I had the skillset of some of the 'techs' that frequent this forum. If I did, I'd make a hand-wired, custom cab, quality component version of this amp for myself. :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Pawn Shop Excelsior Pro - will it increase in value?
Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 11:18 am
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You could not be more off base with your tirade especially with Retro. You would do well to STFU on this one because he is everything he says he is. FACT. He was rebuilding and servicing Fender amps before you dropped you first load in your diaper! He is beyond being a simple amp tech, he rebuilds, creates cabinets worthy of Sam Hutton, and actually shares his tech prowess here. Don't be such a douche!

There is nothing wrong with PCB's or SS Rectifiers...but how they are executed into a design does. Fender has been both very good and very bad with both of these at different times. You would do well to know what you are talking about specifically vice running your mouth for "Air Time" on the forum.

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LMAO! So far.. I've been called a Fluffer and now a douche bag...& told to STFU! lol.... "waiting for the moderator to shut this thread down any second...

Hey moderator......Notice I haven't called anyone any names.. nor refered to anyone personally... Hope your getting this...


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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 11:25 am
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LMAO! So far.. I've been called a Fluffer and now a douche bag...& told to STFU! lol.... "waiting for the moderator to shut this thread down any second...


Click......click......click......click......

Know what that is?

That's the sound of a bunch of people here who just put you on their "ignore" list. Ironically, many of them are the ones who might actually be able to help you should you ever have a bonafide problem with an amp (any amp).

You're #215 on mine.

Congratulations, rumpswab.

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Post subject: Re: Pawn Shop Excelsior Pro - will it increase in value?
Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 2:12 pm
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So far you and your co-hort/idol..... have called me a Fluffer, Cupcake, Douche bag.. told me to STFU! And now I'm Rumpswab? Which is it? or am I all of them at once? lol

Think I need to repeat (my tirade...) lol... of what I wrote earlier...

I've also found the profile of the people I cited (who live on the internet to bust peoples amp gas) are about two types..

Young.. between 18-30, don't really play or have any skill, don't really know amp tech other than what they have read.. or think they are experts cause they put together a 5e3 kit. and they also Love to say they have a 1000 gigs under there belt.

These types troll looking to "Police and expose the noobs " Lol...


There is another type more devious..

The old guy who fixes vintage amps for a living (being old, he's cluless on modern PCB/small electronic tech...) and denounces anything he doesn't understand ... says crap like PCB's are linear therefore not as efficiant, or SS rectifiers are junk.. MDF is junk.. PCB amp don't last etc etc etc etc ... yada yada yada... has no actual facts to back up his claims..

These types... troll to prop thier buisness up, say a lot of crap, and treat electrical engineering as if it was magic...

Most asured......

Both are equally good at trying to bust a guys "Gas" for the amp he's using!


Hey Moderator... you can close this thread anytime...


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Post subject: Re: Pawn Shop Excelsior Pro - will it increase in value?
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 9:34 am
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Bottom line, this amp will never be worth any more than you can buy them for used on eBay right now. If there were any value, and people actually bought them like hot cakes, Fender would likely still make them. Just look at the amps that are now being made, and have been made for a long time, they sell well and that is probably why Fender keeps making them. The HRds, DRs, etc.

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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 3:59 pm
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pcalugaru lets be honest here, you called everyone who didn't agree with your opinion of this amp "Vintage Fluffers" so you threw out the first jab! You can go to your "Safe Place" now.

Shimmilou is correct if Fender had much faith in the amp design it would still be building it! The amp is what it is, a novelty amp at best and will go down in Fenders amp history as such.

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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 4:23 pm
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Shimmilou is correct if Fender had much faith in the amp design it would still be building it! The amp is what it is, a novelty amp at best and will go down in Fenders amp history as such.


+1

And anybody laboring under delusions to the contrary would be better served by investing in a unicorn ranch if investment profit is their goal.

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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 4:24 pm
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T2Stratman wrote:
.............Shimmilou is correct if Fender had much faith in the amp design it would still be building it! The amp is what it is, a novelty amp at best and will go down in Fenders amp history as such.

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As a matter of info and FWIW, from day one prior to release, the Excelsior was planned as a specific quantity, limited run regardless of its market success. It was planned to go out of production.

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Post subject: Re: Pawn Shop Excelsior Pro - will it increase in value?
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 6:49 pm
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IM4Tone wrote:
As a matter of info and FWIW[/i], from day one prior to release, the Excelsior was planned as a specific quantity, limited run regardless of its market success. It was planned to go out of production.


I suppose you could say the same thing about the 2002 T-bird. :D


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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 7:19 pm
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As unforgettable as the Edsel......

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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 9:43 pm
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"I suppose you could say the same thing about the 2002 T-bird."
"As unforgettable as the Edsel......"
I have no idea about the 2002 T-bird, but I do know the Edsel was hoped to be ongoing. When I was a young kid, the man across the street bought a brand new Edsel. Four or five years after they were discontinued, he was given a brand new Ford as even trade for the Edsel from the local Ford dealer! Wish I had one today for it's appreciation.

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I could never own a car whose front grille looked like a Buick sucking on a lemon and tail lights that resembled an oncoming pelican.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

I wouldn't say that the Edsel was the butt-fugliest car to ever come out of Detroit but it has to number among the top five.

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Retroverbial wrote:
I could never own a car whose front grille looked like a Buick sucking on a lemon and tail lights that resembled an oncoming pelican.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

I wouldn't say that the Edsel was the butt-fugliest car to ever come out of Detroit but it has to number among the top five.

:lol:

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When I was a kid, my next door neighbor had a 1958 (I think) Edsel. Up on bricks, in his garage. In various states of repair and disrepair.

That interior! Overstuffed GOLD and white upholstery. Push buttons, gear selectors where the horn usually is, on most steering wheels. FUNKY!

He never got the car running. It ended up in the junkyard, after he died. Sons didn't want anything to do with it.

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I'll just stick to my *excellent condition* '69 Chevelle......

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