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Post subject: Pawn Shop Excelsior Pro - will it increase in value?
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 5:15 am
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Hi all,

I was lucky enough to pick up a Sonic Blue version of Fender's FSR Pawn Shop Excelsior Pro tube amp a few years back. I love the look and feel of this amp and the tremolo is such a nice feature.

I was just wondering if an amp like this, which is reasonably rare and now discontinued, will increase in value over time?

I'm hoping some Fender relics can tell me about old Fender amps which are now highly sought after.

The Excelsior Pro was released first in brown, then pink, blue and surf green were released. As far as I know, only 800 of each colour were made. I am not planning on selling this amp, I love it, simply curious as to whether you guys think it will be worth more in future!

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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 6:37 am
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Highly unlikely, but anything is possible. I wouldn't hold my breathe though.


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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 6:47 am
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I bought the 'brown' early on for a 'steal', swapped in an Emi legend 1518 and put a pot in place of the tone switch for blending. I'll not likely ever sell it, even though I don't often use it. I think it's great and follow any posts I happen across as a matter of interest. They are being advertised for slightly more than original cost in used condition, and I'd expect they'll increase in value over the years.

I can't understand why such a good seller wasn't made an ongoing offering? I didn't care for the other pawn shop offerings.

Maybe some day, they'll be a reissue? :?:

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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 3:48 am
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I was surprised they didn't keep selling it as well, it seemed to get nothing but great reviews! That's why I'm so glad I picked one up (and for less than €300!)

Not only is it a great little tube amp but also a lovely piece of furniture :lol:


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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 7:55 am
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shanecunnane wrote:

I was just wondering if an amp like this, which is reasonably rare and now discontinued, will increase in value over time?

I'm hoping some Fender relics can tell me about old Fender amps which are now highly sought after.
Thanks!


Not likely, and here is why...it is another product put out by Fender, not meant to be easily serviced nor last long enough to become somewhat collectible. In order to appreciate in value more people have to want it than amps available, plus the amp must have universal appeal to its tone. Old Fender amps have great tone, easily serviced, and they are most of all Reliable, the Excelsior has not been around long enough to prove its reliability...yet.

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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 8:29 am
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T2Stratman wrote:
shanecunnane wrote:

I was just wondering if an amp like this, which is reasonably rare and now discontinued, will increase in value over time?

I'm hoping some Fender relics can tell me about old Fender amps which are now highly sought after.
Thanks!


Not likely, and here is why...it is another product put out by Fender, not meant to be easily serviced nor last long enough to become somewhat collectible. In order to appreciate in value more people have to want it than amps available, plus the amp must have universal appeal to its tone. Old Fender amps have great tone, easily serviced, and they are most of all Reliable, the Excelsior has not been around long enough to prove its reliability...yet.

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1) Have you looked inside one? Quite a simple design.
2) Seems to me the 'demand' is slightly exceeding supply so far.
3) Yes, reliability remains to be seen, but so far it seems good. And, if it's simple to fix, that will be a positive step toward it's longevity and potential appreciation.

So.....I'd say maybe :?:

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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 8:57 am
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IM4Tone wrote:
T2Stratman wrote:
shanecunnane wrote:

I was just wondering if an amp like this, which is reasonably rare and now discontinued, will increase in value over time?

I'm hoping some Fender relics can tell me about old Fender amps which are now highly sought after.
Thanks!


Not likely, and here is why...it is another product put out by Fender, not meant to be easily serviced nor last long enough to become somewhat collectible. In order to appreciate in value more people have to want it than amps available, plus the amp must have universal appeal to its tone. Old Fender amps have great tone, easily serviced, and they are most of all Reliable, the Excelsior has not been around long enough to prove its reliability...yet.

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1) Have you looked inside one? Quite a simple design.
2) Seems to me the 'demand' is slightly exceeding supply so far.
3) Yes, reliability remains to be seen, but so far it seems good. And, if it's simple to fix, that will be a positive step toward it's longevity and potential appreciation.

So.....I'd say maybe :?:


Yes simple in design, however execution of said design is something entirely different. When I open up an amp and see Illinois Capacitors...I think, yep they went cheap on the parts, and cheap parts don't last. Those IC's will not last.

It is a cool little funky amp, but as for achieving anything near the collectibility of vintage Fender amps is a pipe dream. It is not whether you like the amp but does it have a following large enough to support its increase in value over the long haul. So far it does not.

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Post subject: Re: Pawn Shop Excelsior Pro - will it increase in value?
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 9:23 am
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T2Stratman wrote:
shanecunnane wrote:

I was just wondering if an amp like this, which is reasonably rare and now discontinued, will increase in value over time?

I'm hoping some Fender relics can tell me about old Fender amps which are now highly sought after.
Thanks!


Not likely, and here is why...it is another product put out by Fender, not meant to be easily serviced nor last long enough to become somewhat collectible. In order to appreciate in value more people have to want it than amps available, plus the amp must have universal appeal to its tone. Old Fender amps have great tone, easily serviced, and they are most of all Reliable, the Excelsior has not been around long enough to prove its reliability...yet.


+1 on all counts.

The Excelsior is but another in a long and undistinguished line of trendy curios that are coveted by fashionistas who know little and care even less that such commercial effluvia has no practical value to a working musician. Retro novelties may be great conversation starters but their appeal is usually transitory at best.

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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:10 am
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shanecunnane wrote:

I was just wondering if an amp like this, which is reasonably rare and now discontinued, will increase in value over time?
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No

It look to me a low budget amp with low cost parts.


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Post subject: Re: Pawn Shop Excelsior Pro - will it increase in value?
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 6:14 pm
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Shane... It's to early to tell. But the demand isn't all that great. Which means it probably isn't going to increase in value.

But!!!!! It's still a cool amp!

I wouldn't call the amp cheap, but I'm not going to call it top shelf either. A lot of the vintage fluffers can't identify with that amp so they are going to try to label it. (i.e call it cheap) These guys will call anything Fender makes with a PCB cheap, while ignore the coutless mid 90's Fender PCB amps still performing on stages near them.... (that's over 21+ yrs... if they were cars.. they would be called classics! (Parden them, It's the cool thing to do on the internet...or so they think... take in mind most of them regugitate what they read on the internet.

The Excelsior is a cool amp and has it's own vibe happening. That in itself is a reason to play the amp. If it's value doesn't increase... who cares?!

P.s there are a lot of cool things you can do to that amp in mods.. example: replace the OT transformer (easy) and speaker (easier!!) or replace the caps with different values, mod the tone stack etc. The IC of Excelsior is what it is... you can't make a bath tub fly...but you trick it out to be the coolest bath tub in neighborhood! (However the amp is cool as is....)

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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 6:39 pm
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take in mind most of them regugitate what they read on the internet.


*Some* of them learned about tube equipment and point-to-point wiring when that's all there was. And many of them kept that equipment operating in the most demanding environment there is, namely the aerospace and defense industries where lives were constantly on the line. Your preaching might garner some acolytes at Harmony Central but here among qualified amp techs who put food on the family table based on their skills, you're just another clueless cupcake.

Go "fluff" yourself, pal.

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Post subject: Re: Pawn Shop Excelsior Pro - will it increase in value?
Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:19 am
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Shane , some say it is a cool amp just because from outside it look cool at there eyes.

What make this the amp special ? Sough after ?
Is this amp will be a piece of history ? IMO no.
Inside there is nothing different or special and better than any mass products amps.

Which guitar heroes use them ? This may help to keep the value.


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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 5:21 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
pcalugaru wrote:
take in mind most of them regugitate what they read on the internet.


*Some* of them learned about tube equipment and point-to-point wiring when that's all there was. And many of them kept that equipment operating in the most demanding environment there is, namely the aerospace and defense industries where lives were constantly on the line. Your preaching might garner some acolytes at Harmony Central but here among qualified amp techs who put food on the family table based on their skills, you're just another clueless cupcake.

Go "fluff" yourself, pal.

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Must have hit a nerve............


I've found that the internet is filled with "so called experts & so called proffesionals"

I've also found the profile of the people I cited above are two types..

Young.. between 18-30, don't really play or have any skill, don't really know amp tech other than what they have read.. or think they are experts cause they put together a 5e3 kit. and they also Love to say they have a 1000 gigs under there belt.

These types troll looking to "Police and expose the noobs " Lol...

There is another type more devious..

The old guy who fixes vintage gear for a living (being old, he's cluless on moder PCB tech and modern small electrical repair) and denounces anything he doesn't understand ... says crap like PCB's are linear therefore not as efficiant, or SS rectifiers are junk.. MDF is junk.. PCB amp don't last etc etc etc etc ... yada yada yada

These types troll denouce anything not vintage or boutique to prop thier buisness up. Say a lot of crap and treat electrical engineering as if it was magic...

Most asured......

Both are equally good at trying to bust a guys "Gas" for the amp he's using!


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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 6:20 am
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In this old man's opinion, if Fender thought this amp had any long term value, Fender would have prominently displayed their logo on the cabinet.

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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 7:23 am
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pcalugaru wrote:
Retroverbial wrote:
pcalugaru wrote:
take in mind most of them regugitate what they read on the internet.


*Some* of them learned about tube equipment and point-to-point wiring when that's all there was. And many of them kept that equipment operating in the most demanding environment there is, namely the aerospace and defense industries where lives were constantly on the line. Your preaching might garner some acolytes at Harmony Central but here among qualified amp techs who put food on the family table based on their skills, you're just another clueless cupcake.

Go "fluff" yourself, pal.

Arjay



Must have hit a nerve............


I've found that the internet is filled with "so called experts & so called proffesional"

I've also found the profile of the people I cited are above are two types..

Young.. between 18-30, don't really play or have any skill, don't really know amp tech other than what they have read.. or think they are experts cause they put together a 5e3 kit. and they also Love to say they have a 1000 gigs under there belt.

These types troll looking to "Police and expose the noobs " Lol...

There is another type more devious..

The old guy who fixes vintage gear for a living (being old he's cluless on moder PCB tech) and denounces anything he doesn't understand ... says crap like PCB's are linear therefore not as efficiant, or SS rectifiers are junk.. MDF is junk.. PCB amp don't last etc etc etc etc ... yada yada yada

These types troll to prop thier buisness up say a lot of crap and treat electrical engineering as if it was magic...

Most asured......

Both are equally good at trying to bust a guys "Gas" for the amp he's using!


You could not be more off base with your tirade especially with Retro. You would do well to STFU on this one because he is everything he says he is. FACT. He was rebuilding and servicing Fender amps before you dropped you first load in your diaper! He is beyond being a simple amp tech, he rebuilds, creates cabinets worthy of Sam Hutton, and actually shares his tech prowess here. Don't be such a douche!

There is nothing wrong with PCB's or SS Rectifiers...but how they are executed into a design does. Fender has been both very good and very bad with both of these at different times. You would do well to know what you are talking about specifically vice running your mouth for "Air Time" on the forum.

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