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Post subject: SuperSonic 22 Questions
Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2016 2:52 pm
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Hi Everyone,

I am looking at purchasing a Fender Super Sonic 22 to be my main amp.
This amp seems it has what I need which is Fender clean and also some good crunch.
I have never owned a Fender amp before but have owned a few tube amps so I have some questions for you SuperSonic owners.

1. Can the 6V6 tubes be swapped out for 6L6GC tubes in that all is needed is a re-bias?
2. Has the reverb tank issue from the early days of this model been corrected at the factory
3. Are the tube sockets chassis or PCB mounted?
4. How is the EFX return, does it take pedals well?
5. What brand tubes are the power and preamp tubes?
6. Any issues I should be concerned with such as common failures?
7. From what I saw on Youtube, the amp sounds great with humbuckers, is that true?

If there is anything else you can advise me on it would be greatly appreciated


Thanks

Mark


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Post subject: Re: SuperSonic 22 Questions
Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 3:02 am
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I don't have this amp . All I know is ;

1- 6L6 ; yes if Power Transformer can feed heater at least with 6 volts AC . Below that PT is not enough powerfull.
Why don't you buy a amp with 6L6 ?

3- I don't see tubes sockets on PCB
http://support.fender.com/schematics/gu ... ematic.pdf

7- You tube; Everything sound the same . :lol: .
I don't truss YT to buy some gear. Too many unknown parameters on recording and we listen on MP3


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Post subject: Re: SuperSonic 22 Questions
Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 9:27 pm
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I agree with Stratele52: do not base your opinion on YouTube. Your best bet is to find a GuitarCenter and play one. I suggest GC because they will certainly have something with humbuckers for your test drive.

I have not torn one down, but I do think the sockets are mounted to the chassis and not the printed circuit board: seems solid enough. Both of the SS22's I have had were equipped with GrooveTubes.

I had one fail in a week, the replacement sounds good, but I have had it less than a week. I am optimistic as the replacement sounds better than the first when "new". Neither unit had reverb issues thought it is not as lush as my old original Blues Deluxe.

I am not a pedal user, but the efx loops seems good: I have mine jumpered.

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Post subject: Re: SuperSonic 22 Questions
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 8:55 am
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Archtop Bill wrote:
....I am not a pedal user, but the efx loops seems good: I have mine jumpered.

I never tried that on mine.....what does it do?
I've heard of people doing it on the SS60's that had a vol. adj on the loop, but not on the SS22.

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Post subject: Re: SuperSonic 22 Questions
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 9:08 am
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Jumpered edx loops !!

When nothing connected in efx loop, contacts inside made in jumpered.

If it was not jumped inside, you'll have no sound at speaker


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Post subject: Re: SuperSonic 22 Questions
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 11:42 am
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stratele52 wrote:
Jumpered edx loops !!

When nothing connected in efx loop, contacts inside made in jumpered.

If it was not jumped inside, you'll have no sound at speaker

So are you saying that jumpering has no bearing on the sound vs. no jumper? (on the SS22)

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Post subject: Re: SuperSonic 22 Questions
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 11:47 am
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IM4Tone wrote:
stratele52 wrote:
Jumpered edx loops !!

When nothing connected in efx loop, contacts inside made in jumpered.

If it was not jumped inside, you'll have no sound at speaker

So are you saying that jumpering has no bearing on the sound vs. no jumper? (on the SS22)


Yes, if plug's contact are good and working.

They make a close circuit between in an out .


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Post subject: Re: SuperSonic 22 Questions
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 11:53 am
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stratele52 wrote:
IM4Tone wrote:
stratele52 wrote:
Jumpered edx loops !!

When nothing connected in efx loop, contacts inside made in jumpered.

If it was not jumped inside, you'll have no sound at speaker

So are you saying that jumpering has no bearing on the sound vs. no jumper? (on the SS22)


Yes, if plug's contact are good and working.

They make a close circuit between in an out .

Thanks, that's what I thought prior to reading the above. I always put an EQ pedal in my loop (always "ON") w/ the volume slider elevated so I can get a clean boost via the loop function on the footswitch.

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Post subject: Re: SuperSonic 22 Questions
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 12:16 pm
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Whit foot pedal it is another story , you add something to the amp. The FX loop are made for that, add some effects.


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Post subject: Re: SuperSonic 22 Questions
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 5:34 pm
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By jumpering the efx loop, if you enable the efx, you pick up a very slight gain.

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Post subject: Re: SuperSonic 22 Questions
Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2016 2:36 am
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Archtop Bill wrote:
By jumpering the efx loop, if you enable the efx, you pick up a very slight gain.


Jupering to me is put a piece of wire, is that what you mean ?


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Post subject: Re: SuperSonic 22 Questions
Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2016 10:11 am
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I am taking a patch cord, such as used to connect a couple stomp boxes and plug one end in efx loop out and the other end into efx loop in. It is an old trick, but I am an old man.

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Post subject: Re: SuperSonic 22 Questions
Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 3:24 pm
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Do not plug 6L6 tubes in a circuit designed for 6V6 tubes. Current demands on the 6L6 heaters are double what they are on the 6V6. If the power transformer is not rated for the added current demands then something will break.

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Post subject: Re: SuperSonic 22 Questions
Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 3:42 pm
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mhowell wrote:
Do not plug 6L6 tubes in a circuit designed for 6V6 tubes. Current demands on the 6L6 heaters are double what they are on the 6V6. If the power transformer is not rated for the added current demands then something will break.


+1

And you can kiss that 5-year warranty goodbye.

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Post subject: Re: SuperSonic 22 Questions
Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 4:42 pm
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to know if power transformer is enough powerfull to supply 6L6 heater voltage you have to read heater voltage with 6L6 . Voltage must be more than 6 volts.


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