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Post subject: building a amplifier
Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 5:37 am
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Ok so I have an old peavey deuce 212. It has some issues but I don't care for the sound of a peavey amp. If possible I'd like to build a all tube amp only using the peavey deuce cab and speakers. The amp already has 4 working 6l6 tubes so maybe build something with the 58 deluxe specs. If that's possible, I don't know much about it at the moment but I'm doing my research so if anyone has any knowledge or links on the matter please let me know.


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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 5:44 am
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Welcome to the Forum!

Are you talking about the '57 Deluxe reissue? It uses 6V6GT output tubes, not 6L6GC.


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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 5:54 am
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I was thinking of the hot rod deluxe that has the two 6l6 and three 12ax but I want something a little more vintage with a rectifier tube maybe like a bassman.


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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 6:49 am
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Like the classic 5F6A circuit model?


http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/tubes-va ... ssman.html


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Post subject: Re: building a amplifier
Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 6:50 am
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OK, I don't know how to build amps (sorry!) but 2 questions about your project....

1. Why do you want to use the Peavey cabinet? Sentimental reasons? Or to make a 'sleeper'?
2. Why do you want to use the Peavey speakers? To save money?

I'm just thinking of the speakers in my old Peavey rig - they were really awful and nothing I would choose to use. But maybe the Peavey Deuce is a different animal? I had a Peavey Renown. What a piece of junk. :roll:

I'm just thinking since you said you didn't like the sound of the Peavey, maybe that had something to do with the speakers too?

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Post subject: Re: building a amplifier
Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 6:55 am
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I'm mainly trying to save money by using the cab and speakers. If I don't like the sound of the speakers I will change them out.


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Post subject: Re: building a amplifier
Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 7:10 am
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Well that's cool. And it would be funny watching everyone scratching their heads trying to figure out how you're getting sweet vintage tone out of your Peavey. :lol:

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Post subject: Re: building a amplifier
Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 9:06 am
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Better to dump the Peavey outright and start with a clean sheet of paper than try to recycle any of its components. There's nothing sonically remarkable about Peavey speakers and the amp's all-MDF cabinet weighs about eight to ten pounds more than an equivalent-sized all-pine enclosure such as Fender used for its tweed models.

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Post subject: Re: building a amplifier
Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:30 am
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This is, as always, just my own personal opinion...

First and foremost here, I have to ask; what is it that you don't like about the Peavey? The reason I ask is that a Peavey Deuce isn't really THAT different from most Fenders that use 6L6 tubes (Bandmaster, Twin, etc)...I suspect that if you plugged a Twin into the Deuce's speakers (and vice-versa), you'd find that they actually sound fairly similar. In other words, is the problem perhaps more about the speakers than it is about the amp itself? Could it perhaps be the tubes? You said the Deuce has "4 working 6L6s tubes" however you didn't say how old they were...just because the tubes "work" doesn't mean they sound good. Personally I always thought that old/weak tubes tend to sound like doo-doo. Not to be rude here, but Iiit even possible it's just because the amp is a Peavey? Like Squier guitars, a lot of folks see the name Peavey and just write it off as being "cheap"...they just don't have the prestige that Fenders and Marshalls do. For many, it's more about the preconception than it is about the actual performance of the gear. Just some things to consider.

While I'm NOT trying to discourage you from building your own...I plan to just for fun some day...however if you are indeed looking to save a little bread, I might suggest that you try just replacing the speakers in the Deuce first before scrapping or building. Like amps and guitars, speakers do tend to have their own sonic characteristics from brand to brand (and model to model). Compare a new Celestion with a vintage Jensen and you'll see...err...hear what I'm talking about. Even within the same brand/model of speaker, age can even play a big factor...a brand new speaker always sounds "tighter" than older speakers do. I remember reading an article back around '85 when the Twin reissues first came out...initially the reviewer said it was a great sounding amp (of course), but that it lacked that "bluesy like tone" of a genuine vintage....the reviewer said the amp really sounded more suited for country. After plugging the amp into the speakers of a genuine '65 however, the new amp suddenly took on that vintage tone that so many of us love. In other words, with all else being equal (same tube type, same configuration, etc), the speakers play as much, if not more of a role in how the amp sounds than any other singular component.

I'd really suggest replacing the speakers and the tubes in the Deuce first (and if you do replace tubes, make sure the amp is properly biased as well)...those old Peavey's are very hard working amps to say the least. If nothing else, should you decide you're still not happy with the sound, you can always use the new parts in your build afterward.

Good luck!


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Post subject: Re: building a amplifier
Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 2:36 pm
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lomitus wrote:
This is, as always, just my own personal opinion...

First and foremost here, I have to ask; what is it that you don't like about the Peavey? The reason I ask is that a Peavey Deuce isn't really THAT different from most Fenders that use 6L6 tubes (Bandmaster, Twin, etc)...

Good luck!


Are you kidding ? This amp have nothing to do with most ( if not all ) Fender amps .

Peavey Deuce is almost full solid states except for outputs wich are tubes .

Look at schematic here , if you know how to read ;

Deuce ;
http://el34world.com/charts/Schematics/ ... euce-b.pdf

Fender Bandmaster ;

http://el34world.com/charts/Schematics/ ... ematic.pdf


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Post subject: Re: building a amplifier
Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 2:41 pm
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2 post for same amp

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Post subject: Re: building a amplifier
Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 5:50 pm
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stratele52 wrote:
lomitus wrote:
This is, as always, just my own personal opinion...

First and foremost here, I have to ask; what is it that you don't like about the Peavey? The reason I ask is that a Peavey Deuce isn't really THAT different from most Fenders that use 6L6 tubes (Bandmaster, Twin, etc)...

Good luck!


Are you kidding ? This amp have nothing to do with most ( if not all ) Fender amps .

Peavey Deuce is almost full solid states except for outputs wich are tubes .

Look at schematic here , if you know how to read ;

Deuce ;
http://el34world.com/charts/Schematics/ ... euce-b.pdf

Fender Bandmaster ;

http://el34world.com/charts/Schematics/ ... ematic.pdf


+1

Piddling with that Peavey to transform it into a Fender is pure folly.

And anybody who cannot see that is more than welcome to spin their wheels in the attempt. Countless clowns have tried before and they all end up in the same sad boat......with a Peavey amp that likely no longer even works and dozens of pleas for help posted on all the major amp forums.

Don't be a sap.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

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Post subject: Re: building a amplifier
Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:10 am
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Please let me clarify...

When I said that "a Peavey Deuce isn't really THAT different from most Fenders that use 6L6 tubes (Bandmaster, Twin, etc)", I was basically talking about the sound and not the electronic design of the amps. Obviously these are two different beasties, however with decent speakers (and some good tubes), a Deuce can produce some pretty sweet sound. I worked with a guy back in the early 90's for a while who used a Deuce and he was amazed at how different the amp sounded when I plugged it into my 2 x 12 cab (which had an old Jensen and an old Oxford at the time)....just by changing speaker cabinets, it sounded like two very different amps. For that matter I had done the same with a friend who had a '73 Twin...the Twin had some -really- bad speakers in it - I think they came out of an old TV or stereo or something...those cheap-ass old square magnet speakers (no, not the classic style Alnicos with the bells). This guy had forked out some fairly serious bread to have the amp re-capped, new tubes, etc., but it STILL sounded nasty and actually had rather low volume to boot...not at all the way a Twin should sound. One evening I plugged it into my 2 x 12 and the guy was just blown away...not only did the amp sound considerably better, it was also CONSIDERABLY louder. By simply plugging it into some proper speakers, suddenly the amp actually sounded like a Twin.

The only point of my comments was to offer the OP an alternative to going through the trouble and expense of doing a custom build when the amp itself may not be the problem. A great many people underestimate the role the speakers play...and even the tubes...when it comes to "the sound". For example, again the OP said his Deuce has "working tubes"...that certainly does NOT mean these tubes sound good at all. For all we know (based on the OP's comment), those could be factory tubes that are well over 30 years old....I know there's some folks out there who somehow value this, but personally I think old/worn/weak tubes just sound like horse dung. And again, speakers certainly have their own unique sonic characteristics. Speakers are very analogous to guitar pickups...seriously...how many people on these forums (including myself) replace their pickups just to get a better sound? The same goes for amps - different speakers can make a HUGE difference. For all we know at this point, the OP could drop some Groove Tubes and a set of Jensen's in that Deuce and end up being quite happy with it.

What's more is that my suggestions again could still be used for the new amp should the OP decide to build anyways...if I were to go to the trouble and expense of building my own amp, I'd certainly want some great speakers and tubes in it. As Arjay himself said, "There's nothing sonically remarkable about Peavey speakers" (although I could debate this), so if the OP should be getting new speakers anyways, why not try them in the Deuce before going thru the trouble and expense of a build?

If the OP has tried new tubes and some different speakers and still isn't happy with the sound of the amp, then by all means he (she) should certainly built his (her) own or simply buy a new amp, etc.. Again my comments were simply intended to offer the OP with a few alternatives BEFORE going that route. I'm sorry people think that's such a horrifying concept.


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Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:48 am
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lomitus wrote:
Please let me clarify...

When I said that "a Peavey Deuce isn't really THAT different from most Fenders that use 6L6 tubes (Bandmaster, Twin, etc)", I was basically talking about the sound and not the electronic design of the amps. .


What make sound from a amp ?

Electronics desing and technology ( solid state / tubes ) .

Don't waist you time , In the forum , only you you will believe this amp have same sound than a Fender or those who do not know amplifiers


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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 3:37 pm
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stratele52 wrote:
lomitus wrote:
Please let me clarify...

When I said that "a Peavey Deuce isn't really THAT different from most Fenders that use 6L6 tubes (Bandmaster, Twin, etc)", I was basically talking about the sound and not the electronic design of the amps. .


What make sound from a amp ?

Electronics desing and technology ( solid state / tubes ) .

Don't waist you time , In the forum , only you you will believe this amp have same sound than a Fender or those who do not know amplifiers


Really? All this time I thought it was the speakers.

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