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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 8:11 am
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does anyone here have the same feelings as me about vintage gear

i have all my vintage amps and gear because it makes me feel more authentic when replicating a sound or tone or just to feel more part of that era

iam 17 i missed everyone having walls or mashalls and fender stacks i see clapton with a tweed twin combo not a plexi

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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:45 am
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I have my vintage gear because it was new when I bought it and I never sold it because I liked it or I was too lazy to sell it. I always liked my old analog effects better than the newer digital stuff too, it's just a lot more organic and reliable. The old stuff re-creates nothing, you do. The gear isn't as important as your technique and what you do with it.

The newer guitars are a lot more consistent than the old stuff. I had a 1962 Strat that was a total tone turd. I have a 72 that's just amazing and people say all 70's Strats were garbage. Some were some weren't. A lot of the new Strats are seriously nice even though I think there are too many models.


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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:18 pm
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I have some vintage stuff mostly thing I got new and somes good somes bad. I think most items made today are better then the vintage stuff. Kind of like cars you here people say they don't make them like they used to is a good thing. The cheapest car today is more reliabe then old cars were ever. Ther is great vintage stuff I like to have but that does not mean it is better. My Vox AC30 blows people away and they all wants it but my Budda was much better made and is only a year old. I have seen some pretty crapy made guitars from the 70's even the replicas of them made today are better then the original were. My thing is how well it is made not how old it is. I have bought some vintage items just for investment purposes.

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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:40 pm
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That's the truth. I have an original 57 Dano U1 that my friend found in the trash and gave it to me. After a little bit re soldering, the thing just smokes. It's pretty ugly, but sounds and plays incredible.
Some folks put too much stock in old stuff. Think about it. Fender guitars are bolted together. Some sound great some not so great. They are churned out by the thousands. Good is good no matter who made it or when it was made.
The only thing I like better is older amps because they were hand wired. I don't like PCB's and some of the cheap caps and other components and lousy shortcuts they're making and still charging top dollar for them.


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You have to take each piece for what it is; some "Vintage" axes and amps aren't really anything special. Another way to look at it is this--not every "vintage" song is great--some are just songs.

I had an old Twin Reverb that I wanted so-o-o-o-o badly to sound good...but it never did, even after I changed tubes, caps, speakers, etc. I have a much newer (made around 1991/2) 1963 reissue Vibroverb (brownface 2X10) that sounds a million times better than the more powerful, more collectible, more vintage-r (is that a word?) Twin Reverb I had.

Guess which one I kept?

Likewise, some old (vintage, collectible or not) amps and guitars are great--they immediately have mojo and vibe on top of the great tone you may (or may not) be looking for...and some old instruments are just...old.

Also, the way an amp, effect, or guitar will perform really does depend on who is piloting that particular rig...the other guitarist in my group (we switch between who plays rhythm or lead according to the song) has a rig that just doesn't do anything for me, but it sounds great when he plays through it. Likewise, my rig just doesn't cut it for him--but it works for me.

I also agree with the earlier statement about digital amps (although I do have--and love--a digital Boss RT20 Rotary Ensemble pedal); they never quite get it "right". There's always a degree of sterility and falseness in the tone. A good tube amp doesn't have to "re-create" a sound--it actually "creates" a great sound.

Good Vibes To Y'all... 8)


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Post subject: Re: poll of sorts
Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 2:01 pm
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matt101590 wrote:
i have all my vintage amps and gear because it makes me feel more authentic when replicating a sound or tone or just to feel more part of that era


I have guitars going back to the 70s... Amps from the 80/90s and my Fender Strat is a 2006 50th Anniversary Special Edition FSR... (HSS/Black and Chrome) (My Gibson 335 is an 1975 production with the trapeze tailpiece...<G>)

As far as "Vintage" goes, the good stuff still sounds great today, and the junk is still junk... but you get a lot better prices for it now that folks are fighting over it...<VBG>

I used to argue with my music teachers (back when I was majoring in music) that most classical composers were hacks working to keep their children fed... not inspired Patron Saints of Music....

Gear is about the same... there's a lot of OK stuff and a few pieces that are terrific... but a lot of it was just thrown together to gather dollars...

Great sound comes first from the musician... then from the gear. In my opinion, relying on effects too much can handicap a musician.

My buddy that owns the local music shop can make anything sound incredible... he's just that good... But then he's spent a lifetime getting there...

Plus, there are a lot of folks who bad mouth modern digital sounds who never bothered to open the manual on seriously good equipment... You can almost always spot their reviews when they

I can't recount how many times I've read user reviews on new gear that objected to the sound because they weren't dialed in from the factory... you had to work with it to get your programs right... While folks that read the manual got the sound they were hoping for, with the same box...

OTOH, analog effects are pretty much stuck with what you got... At $100 each for a decent pedal it's easy to see where multi-effect units are strong in the marketplace and getting more popular...

T.C. Electronics has a new effects box (NOVA) that uses analog circuits but increments the adjustments digitally in the drive section...

You get the real analog effect, but you can program your settings to come right back to where they were the last time you used it... or setup changes in the settings that click in with a tap of your toe... (yes, my Princeton Chorus does the same thing with analog knobs... but it's not your everyday amp and you can only have two settings...<g>)

Most of that "vintage" sound is due to the limitations of the analog circuits and engineering decisions that reduced the cost of parts and manufacturing... In other words, it's the drawbacks and compromises made back then... which are now the attraction...

If I were buying a few effects I'd probably look for bargains in the used market... If I were gigging on a regular basis I MIGHT update my AX1000 Toneworks pedal for another all-in-one to keep setup simple and insure that my effect were EXACTLY they way I dialed them in every time I played... However, the Toneworks is pretty versatile and sounds great to me...

If I were in the market to upgrade, the T.C Electronics NOVA and a T.C. Helicon vocal box would probably be my first choice right now... High end for me and my current music budget, but from all reports well worth the extra bucks..

Working gear that's a little scratched and dented is usually cheap... My Toneworks box was $75 (and I had to add a 9 volt wallwart to replace the original) I love several of the factory preset sounds and am slowly working on developing some of my own custom settings... Just getting ONE good sound was worth that price...

Having been playing guitar for my own amusement (and the occasional amateur gig on stage) since about 1964 I've seen a bit of the vintage era...

Guitars are better than EVER before, and there are more POOR effect pedals out there simply because everyone knows we players will buy and try a dozen effects to get one or two that we like...

Generally though, the GOOD effects pedals... and best of the multi-effect units are very good...

The real test is how YOU like the sound... get a good quality recording of your playing, from a decent microphone... setup back where people will be listening, not your line out... and see if that's 'your sound' coming out...

I was doing sound for a church worship group and they'd NEVER heard themselves except for what was sent back to the monitors... I recorded the house mix for them and started doing a playback so they could listen and they couldn't believe it was them...

Listening to yourself is a sobering experience; though, it's sad, but we tend to be our own worst critics... Stuff that other folks enjoyed hearing we'll listen to and only notice the fluffed notes and missed strums<g> Don't let that discourage you... the audience never notices if you keep playing...

Good luck with your playing... as long as you're enjoying it you're probably doing something right!!!<G>

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