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Post subject: 1967 Suber Reverb Questions (Soon-to-be NAD)
Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 2:18 pm
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Hello!

I'm about to buy my favorite amp of all time, a proper Blackface Super Reverb. It's more than twice as old as me but beauty doesn't age, does it? :roll:

However, since this is a big purchase for me I was hoping you guys could give me some help and information about my amp. According to the tube chart (see pictures below) I can tell that it was made in April 1967. I'm waiting for more images och the chassis and such. One or two speakers have been changed, and this is what I'm most curious about. Which are original and which are replaced? I had trouble finding information about it. (see picture 3 & 4)

Here are the numbers from the speaker I was supplied with:
Jensen - C10R & 2200010
F 3 2367
F 3 2362
06412-1 187-7624

And now to the rather boring part. It has been modded with a master volume. I don't know by who or if it was properly done, but is it easily reversible? I will not do it myself, I'm just curious if it can be done without gutting it completely. Unfortunately there will be a big hole in the faceplate, but I want to keep it as stock as possible. :D


Enough with the talking, here are some pictures!

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Post subject: Re: 1967 Suber Reverb Questions (Soon-to-be NAD)
Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 3:06 pm
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The CTS alnico speakers (those with the square magnet shield) are Super Reverb speakers, though they appear to be replacements taken from a newer amp. Original's would've been date-stamped as "137-7XX".

The ceramic "Jensini" is a recent offshore re-issue made in the 10th week of 2000.

A pity that the front panel is hosed......

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Post subject: Re: 1967 Suber Reverb Questions (Soon-to-be NAD)
Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 3:42 pm
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Sweet amp. The BFSR are my favorite amp! It might be possible to source a new Super Reverb Face Plate, you see them from time to time on E-bay, in case that front panel hole is more than you can stand. If you can find one, when the amp tech takes it back to factory spec and removes the Master Volume, would be as good a time as any.

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Post subject: Re: 1967 Suber Reverb Questions (Soon-to-be NAD)
Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 4:11 pm
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T2Stratman wrote:
It might be possible to source a new Super Reverb Face Plate, you see them from time to time on E-bay, in case that front panel hole is more than you can stand.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/BF-Super-Reverb ... 19ec7f05cb

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Post subject: Re: 1967 Suber Reverb Questions (Soon-to-be NAD)
Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 5:04 pm
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Nice amp! SR have a tone all their own. Best to check the main PSU electrolytic caps, before wailing away.

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Post subject: Re: 1967 Suber Reverb Questions (Soon-to-be NAD)
Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 6:18 pm
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BMW2002Ti wrote:
Best to check the main PSU electrolytic caps, before wailing away.


A complete bench check would be wise......

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Post subject: Re: 1967 Suber Reverb Questions (Soon-to-be NAD)
Posted: Wed May 07, 2014 12:13 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
The CTS alnico speakers (those with the square magnet shield) are Super Reverb speakers, though they appear to be replacements taken from a newer amp. Original's would've been date-stamped as "137-7XX".

The ceramic "Jensini" is a recent offshore re-issue made in the 10th week of 2000.

A pity that the front panel is hosed......

Arjay


Thanks alot Arjay!

What would the Fender Lounge be without your knowledge? :)

And thanks once again for the ebay link. However it seems to be a pre-CBS faceplate which isn't completely right. Oh well, we'll see about that.

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T2Stratman wrote:
Sweet amp. The BFSR are my favorite amp! It might be possible to source a new Super Reverb Face Plate, you see them from time to time on E-bay, in case that front panel hole is more than you can stand. If you can find one, when the amp tech takes it back to factory spec and removes the Master Volume, would be as good a time as any.

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It is really sweet! I tested the reissue model some time ago and that one sounded killer, I can't imagine how this one will sound. I may leave the faceplate as is, we'll see about that. It would add some character (I guess), too bad it was drilled right through the Super Reverb logo.

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Post subject: Re: 1967 Suber Reverb Questions (Soon-to-be NAD)
Posted: Thu May 08, 2014 3:07 pm
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Hey guys I need some advice. I've gotten cold feet about this whole deal.

As a 19 year old musician this is a really big investment for me, and I'm getting mixed emotions about this. I want a vintage Blackface and the Super Reverb is one of my favorites, but it is so darn big and heavy. I recently tried a couple of reissue Blackfaces and they sound good aswell but I've heard so much about reliability issues and such, and the retails for new reissues are roughly the same as what I'm paying for this '67. In fact, it's cheaper. But I'm always thinking what if it plays great when I try it, but when my local tech takes a look at it I realize that there are alot of "problems" that would generate more costs.

Please help me settle my mind about this. :roll:

/A concerned Swede.

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Posted: Thu May 08, 2014 4:08 pm
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Whenever I buy a vintage Fender amp (a regular occurrence with me) I always budget a few hundred dollars to pay for any parts that might need replacement -- tubes, filter caps, the odd resistor or pot, speaker re-coning, etc. However, once competently overhauled an original blackface will generally play for a decade or more without need for further servicing. They're easy to repair and parts remain plentiful. The same cannot be said about the re-issues with any degree of certainty. For that reason, I'll never buy another new Fender amp.

A vintage Super Reverb is a back-breaking sonofabitch to lift and load -- an ankle-biter as well. But nothing else on earth sounds like it. NOTHING.

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Posted: Thu May 08, 2014 4:50 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
Whenever I buy a vintage Fender amp (a regular occurrence with me) I always budget a few hundred dollars to pay for any parts that might need replacement -- tubes, filter caps, the odd resistor or pot, speaker re-coning, etc. However, once competently overhauled an original blackface will generally play for a decade or more without need for further servicing. They're easy to repair and parts remain plentiful. The same cannot be said about the re-issues with any degree of certainty. For that reason, I'll never buy another new Fender amp.

A vintage Super Reverb is a back-breaking sonofabitch to lift and load -- an ankle-biter as well. But nothing else on earth sounds like it. NOTHING.

Arjay


+1...What he said!

I would also add that yes BFSR are heavy but that is what they make pull carts for and the TONE is MORE THAN WORTH IT :!: :!: :!: And I am a 50+ year old guy, and this IS the amp I take to jams and if I get into another band or do more studio work this is the one I am lugging around, even with a knee that needs replacement :!:

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Posted: Thu May 08, 2014 5:57 pm
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You're a 19 year old musician and you're worried about the size and weight of a Super Reverb? Just go play it and if it's what you're looking for grab it right away! If I only knew then what I know now... the SR would've been my only amp! Sure it's a big investment for you now, but that's all you'll ever need, and it'll only appreciate in value. I know a few local musicians your age and older that only play a SR and they have no problem taking it with them to any gig or jam.

The SR sounds perfect at any volume! It'll blow any other amp off the stage even on standby! :mrgreen:


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Posted: Thu May 08, 2014 6:43 pm
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Jooiie wrote:
Hey guys I need some advice. I've gotten cold feet about this whole deal.

As a 19 year old musician this is a really big investment for me, and I'm getting mixed emotions about this. I want a vintage Blackface and the Super Reverb is one of my favorites, but it is so darn big and heavy.... But when my local tech takes a look at it I realize that there are alot of "problems" that would generate more costs.

Please help me settle my mind about this. :roll:

/A concerned Swede.


Johan, the weight of the thing is part of the reason these amps last forever. You will not get a tone similar to a real SR, in a cheaper, lighter platform. It's physics. Good iron, good wood & cabinetry, good speakers, and strong chassis = long life. And weight.

As for reparability. The original BF or SF SR is going to be way easier to keep running than the reissued model with circuit boards. Leo's first priority on any design was ease in repair. New repair parts (like caps, resistors, sockets, tubes) are still readily available. And once you break the layout "code" of a Fender amp, it's is not that hard to keep these puppies happy. All of these older amps were built in a logical fashion. Left to right. Top to bottom. WAY simpler than any new amp with PCB boards.

Don't be like me. I sold a BF Super Reverb and a Deluxe Reverb a long time ago. Then, spent 20-25 years looking for these model amps, again. I can almost guarantee that once you own a vintage SR. Spend some $$$ restoring it to OEM nominal specs --- you will never let that amp out of your hands.

Good luck! :mrgreen:


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Posted: Thu May 08, 2014 10:53 pm
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BMW2002Ti wrote:
Don't be like me. I sold a BF Super Reverb and a Deluxe Reverb a long time ago. Then, spent 20-25 years looking for these model amps, again.


+1000

I finally replaced the Deluxe Reverb I foolishly disposed of but I'm still searching for the "right" Super Reverb.

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Post subject: Re: 1967 Suber Reverb Questions (Soon-to-be NAD)
Posted: Thu May 08, 2014 11:22 pm
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The SR sounds perfect at any volume! It'll blow any other amp off the stage even on standby! :mrgreen:



Well, this is very true .. B/F Super Reverb is a very special animal, indeed. :D


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