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Post subject: Re: Help Identifying Speakers
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 6:53 pm
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nstoubis, DUDE! Professor of Guitar at SC? Pretty awesome. Were you there when Ritenour and Carlton did their summer sessions?

Anyhow, your SR needs a good going over. Prolly need those CTS reconed by a capable reconer. May need some electronic parts to bring the amp back to nominal state.

Personally, I'd try to restored that SR. As there is NO amp new or old that has its tone. And flexibility. Photos of the circuitry would be nice.

Good luck. Keep us posted.

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Post subject: Re: Help Identifying Speakers
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:06 pm
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Well, it actually looks like you have the correct four speakers. But they are old.

If you are buying new, go in a try a Super Reverb RI or a Twin Reverb RI. Much better in my opinion than the DeVille. Again that is something that you will need to try a bunch of amps and see what you like.

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Post subject: Re: Help Identifying Speakers
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:58 pm
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The date codes for these speakers were typically stamped on the magnet shield. Thus, with the label affixed it was often difficult or nigh impossible to determine the date of manufacture. Of course, peeling the decal away would be the only method to definitively ID the week and year they were made so I do not recommend this. The numbers stamped on the frame likely represent in-house CTS production info.

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Post subject: Re: Help Identifying Speakers
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:53 pm
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Thanks guys -- I'm going to try and make some sense of these speakers this week.

Art - I have used the Twin RI and Deluxe RI's forever -- again, was just looking for something just a tad more special.

BMW - Ritenour was a student at SC in the 70's -- before my time. Carlton was never there to my knowledge but it is a very cool place.


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Post subject: Re: Help Identifying Speakers
Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:55 am
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nstoubis wrote:
Thanks guys -- I'm going to try and make some sense of these speakers this week.

Art - I have used the Twin RI and Deluxe RI's forever -- again, was just looking for something just a tad more special.

BMW - Ritenour was a student at SC in the 70's -- before my time. Carlton was never there to my knowledge but it is a very cool place.



The Super is a tad more special for sure. Hang on to it for a project amp. Restoration will give you something to be proud of.

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Post subject: Re: Help Identifying Speakers
Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 10:16 pm
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So it turns out that my speakers are actually 32 ohm speakers (someone had put them in the 1965 super and I thought they were original so I of course overpaid :).

That said, I am not giving up. I have been on the hunt for CTS alnico 10's (what years were these made?) but I cannot find any anywhere at all. Do any of you have any leads on where to find a matched set of 4 (same year or serial number sequence)?

I am really amazed how little (none) I am finding on getting these speakers.

Also, would anyone be interested in the 32 ohm cts alnico 10's I have?

Thanks!


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Post subject: Re: Help Identifying Speakers
Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 10:30 pm
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Those speakers came from the Fender PA columns I mentioned previously.

They look to be a matched quartet as far as their age -- I would have them re-coned with 8-ohm coils to match your Super Reverb's impedance-load requirements and re-install them (I've done this several times, with excellent results).

Request a seamed-and-ribbed cone with no doping, and a 30-watt voice coil. Thus reconditioned, they'll last forever. "T2Stratman" has one of these speakers in his '64 non-verb Princeton and I have a pair in a custom-built '68 Bandmaster combo.

You won't find a better-sounding 10-inch alnico speaker anywhere -- at any price.

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Post subject: Re: Help Identifying Speakers
Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 10:58 pm
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Arjay, that is a great suggestion! I didn't know you could do that. Would you suggest ORANGE COUNTY SPEAKER? Is this something a speaker place routinely would be able to do?

I am guessing that if you can reconed this speaker at 8ohm would the result be like getting CTS that is already 8ohms reconed? So you think good results...

What year would you think these speakers are? Any identifiable features that would tell you. The fact they are silver or anything?

Thanks again for all of your help.

Get this --- I bought this amp from Guitar Center VIntage (Hollywood) 6 years ago and had complained that the speakers weren't right and that they were also blown and they didn't really respond favorably so I just went out and got weber speakers and didn't bother with a vintage speaker. Now that I was looking at how difficult it is to get the correct speakers, I recontacted the vintage room yesterday and today they told me they would look into me getting a refund for the amount a super without original speakers would have been back there. That would be really cool of them especially since they were so unresponsive right after I bought the amp. Perhaps that is why the serial numbers are impossible to read -- because someone smudged them so that you couldn't figure out what they are.


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Post subject: Re: Help Identifying Speakers
Posted: Thu May 02, 2013 12:26 am
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Orange County Speaker Service does excellent work -- probably the best shop in SoCal. If you'd prefer a northern California locale, Ron Neal up in Sacramento would be my recommendation (he's done many jobs for both me and my bass-player brother, going back to 1975). I'm guessing your speakers date from 1969 or 1970 at the latest, since Fender's PA columns were upgraded to 12-inch drivers in 1971. Anytime you have a speaker reconed, you can generally select any of the industry-standard impedances so long as parts sets are commercially available. Thus, four, eight, sixteen, and (in some instances) thirty-two ohm applications remain available.

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