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Post subject: Re: CTS speaker for SF TwinReverb - where?
Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 6:40 am
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cedarblues wrote:
Are you selling those Jensens? I need a pair :mrgreen:


Sorry, I can't.
Those are for my real time bought '66 BFVR's units.
for reference closest
http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showth ... p?t=935737


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Post subject: Re: CTS speaker for SF TwinReverb - where?
Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 9:55 am
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It's a famous vintage unit.
Just you don't have knowledge.


Really?

Listen up, pilgrim. I was repairing Fender amps before your momma bought you your first pair of long trousers. In the last eighteen months, I've fixed more Fender amps for my clients than likely you've ever owned. How's that?

Now as for "knowledge", I'm going to graciously give you some. Your C10NS speakers are not original to your amp -- in fact, they're likely not OEM Fender speakers at all. Fender's Jensens were coded as "C10NA".

Knowledge myass! Go read some books.

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Post subject: Re: CTS speaker for SF TwinReverb - where?
Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:27 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
kawa-175 wrote:
It's a famous vintage unit.
Just you don't have knowledge.


Really?

Listen up, pilgrim. I was repairing Fender amps before your momma bought you your first pair of long trousers. In the last eighteen months, I've fixed more Fender amps for my clients than likely you've ever owned. How's that?

Now as for "knowledge", I'm going to graciously give you some. Your C10NS speakers are not original to your amp -- in fact, they're likely not OEM Fender speakers at all. Fender's Jensens were coded as "C10NA".

Knowledge myass! Go read some books.

Arjay


kawa-175 seems to be one of several "experts" that have shown up in the forum lately. He is just full of useful information. Or maybe just full of it. I've already added him to my ignore list. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post subject: Re: CTS speaker for SF TwinReverb - where?
Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 4:28 pm
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Everything I read about the BF VLR, from 65 and 66 I believe, came with C10NS or the part # C8284. I haven't seen any C10NA, C12NA yes, I have one :)

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I don't think kawa meant any disrespect, I have a feeling English isn't his first language.


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Post subject: Re: CTS speaker for SF TwinReverb - where?
Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 4:32 pm
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kawa-175 wrote:
Sorry, I can't.
Those are for my real time bought '66 BFVR's units.
for reference closest
http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showth ... p?t=935737


I understand, I already got the WGS G10C to replace the Oxfords that came in mine, so far so good... but I sure would like to try those special Jensens everyone keeps talking about!


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Post subject: Re: CTS speaker for SF TwinReverb - where?
Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 4:37 pm
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C8284 220539 is C10NS, included no leterd "C10NS"
have the 1 1/2" or 1.50" Voice Coil.
after they printed the new fender gold labels.

My '66-BFVR(A06512):Brown/Gold labeled and letterd "SPECIALLY DESIGNED FOR Fender MUSICAL INSTRUMENT COMPANY"
In other space with small "MFD.BY JENSEN MFG. DIV. THE MUTER CO. CHICAGO"
Stamped on frame "220610 S0620 023036,C8284 2
C811 66"
Letterd on Cone"3010B07W2"
Cone surface is beige colour and rear side is black colour rubberrised.
Center dust cap with a hole type


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Post subject: Re: CTS speaker for SF TwinReverb - where?
Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 5:03 pm
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Sorry my poor english from Japan.

My sounds taste, these are my jazz tones.

1. '66 Vibrolux Reverb
http://www.americanvintageguitar.com/am ... 206142.htm (same to mine,bought realtime)
Settings :
T1~2
B3.5
V2.5~3
Inst : '67 ES-175DN V8 T10, Belden 9778-3m

2. '74 Silverface Twin Reverb
Google ‰æ‘œŒŸõŒ‹‰Ê: http://www.sanyo-densi.com/dai2/fender_ ... b_0005.jpg (same to mine) Rola 12" (Fender Special Design) 27297 2857704
Very Sweet !!! (good for the vocals backing etc)
Settings:
V7
T1~2
M6~8
B1~2
Master Max.
Inst : '67 ES-175DN V8 T10,Belden 9778-3m

3. The Twin (Red Knob Twin)
Output Selector ; Lo (25 Watt)
V1
T0~1
M6
B0
Output Selector ; Hi (100 Watt)
V1
T0~1
M5.5
B0
Knobs are numbered 0 - 10
Inst ; '67 ES-175DN
The Twin Manual ; http://173.83.74.46/schematics/TheTw...ers_Manual.pdf
Amp Guide ; http://173.83.74.46/amp.asp?id=116

4. '65 Twin Reverb Reissue (early version)
https://www.google.co.jp/search?gs_rn=1 ... B400%3B312 Eminence(Fender Special Design) Same to mine
Very Clear & Tighten Push Tone
Settings:
V3
T1
M6~8
B3~3.5
Inst : '67 ES-175DN V8 T10,Belden 9778-3m


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Post subject: Re: CTS speaker for SF TwinReverb - where?
Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 6:14 pm
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cedarblues wrote:
I haven't seen any C10NA, C12NA yes, I have one :)


Is it this one (the one I sent you)......?

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Post subject: Re: CTS speaker for SF TwinReverb - where?
Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 6:44 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:

Is it this one (the one I sent you)......?

Arjay


That be da one :)

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Truly an amazing speaker! I can't imagine what a pair of those would sound like in a Twin! Did you ever get yours reconed?

Here it is next to the other C12N I had

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Not sure if it's the recone Dusty did or the fact that the NA is somehow a different speaker. I liked the C12N in my DR but LOVE the C12NA!


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Post subject: Re: CTS speaker for SF TwinReverb - where?
Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 8:24 pm
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Naw, mine are still boxed up......waiting for the right restoration to come along. Perhaps a '66 Pro Reverb or a small-box Bassman.

Now that my home-security upgrades are complete I'll have the time (and the money) to find something suitable.

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Post subject: Re: CTS speaker for SF TwinReverb - where?
Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:31 pm
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They are both C10NS
http://elderly.com/images/vintage/130U/ ... -spkrs.jpg

Post again about the "jensen c10ns" on web.
https://www.google.co.jp/#sclient=psy-a ... 80&bih=709

image search
https://www.google.co.jp/search?q=jense ... 80&bih=709

by "jensen c10na"
https://www.google.co.jp/#sclient=psy-a ... 80&bih=709

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https://www.google.co.jp/search?q=jense ... 80&bih=709


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Post subject: Re: CTS speaker for SF TwinReverb - where?
Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 6:34 pm
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Cedar, how's the tone of that doped C12N versus the non-doped one? All of my vintage Jensens (US made) are non-doped.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-BSIA ... 185616.jpg

Thanks!


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Post subject: Re: CTS speaker for SF TwinReverb - where?
Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 6:56 pm
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Silicone Adhesive & Sealant for Electric & Electronic
Good for Potting, Protecting …… for repairing part and good for the speaker's cone crack, I did for non replace unit Peterson amp, no problem.

Three Bond 1220C / NET 100g
Google ‰æ‘œŒŸõŒ‹‰Ê: http://image.rakuten.co.jp/kys/cabinet/ ... 930ah7.jpg

http://www.threebond.co.uk/Products/Thr ... fault.aspx


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Post subject: Re: CTS speaker for SF TwinReverb - where?
Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:13 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
Naw, mine are still boxed up......waiting for the right restoration to come along. Perhaps a '66 Pro Reverb or a small-box Bassman.

Now that my home-security upgrades are complete I'll have the time (and the money) to find something suitable.

Arjay


Maybe it's time to get 'em reconed and put 'em in one of your TRs :mrgreen: you can give the JBLs a break...


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Post subject: Re: CTS speaker for SF TwinReverb - where?
Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:27 pm
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Cedar, how's the tone of that doped C12N versus the non-doped one? All of my vintage Jensens (US made) are non-doped.

Thanks!


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The one on the left ('66 C12N) had the original cone in it and looked in great shape. The one on the right ('67 C12NA) has a fresh cone. Dusty recommended that cone based on what I told him I like and it came out perfect! Whether it's the doping or new cone that speaker is the best 12" I've tried in my DR. I loved the sweet tone of the C12Q, specially the highs, but it didn't hold it together at loud volumes. The C12N did a much better job keeping it together, tight low end, but the highs weren't as sweet as the Q. The reconed C12NA combined both, even from the first minute I played it! And it just keeps getting better...


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