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Post subject: 6G4-A Brown Super
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 4:34 pm
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I went out for a brown deluxe and somehow came home with a brown Super for a few bucks more! Here are some photos:
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The power tranny has a funny code. It should be 125P5D, but mine says 125P5B. Strange.
Came with some nice old tubes:
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not sure what brand this is looks like the paint has come off.
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Post subject: Re: 6G4-A Brown Super
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 4:40 pm
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Paper...where in the heck are you shopping? Schweet doesn't seem to even come close to covering it! I love Super's and that is a nice one!

Enjoy your "Deluxe Shopping Trip" for many years.

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OOOPPSS A Big edit here...sorry S3...I had a long weekend and a heck of a Monday.

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Post subject: Re: 6G4-A Brown Super
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 4:50 pm
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Yeah, this thing is pretty sweet. I haven't played anything with 5881's before. Anyway it does clean nicely and drives like a beast when you turn it up!

The harmonic trem is crazy too. I havent even hooked up my reverb unit, but it sounds like your swimming in a whirlpool in a cave when the trem is going. It definitely has a reverb effect.


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Post subject: Re: 6G4-A Brown Super
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 5:16 pm
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Very nice amp! I have a 1962 brownie Pro (6G5-A) & really like it. Basically the same as yours, with solid-state rectifier (but hole for a GZ34). And one 15-inch speaker. These amps sound crazy good with the Reverb Unit (6G15).

Enjoy it! Great amp.


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Post subject: Re: 6G4-A Brown Super
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 5:30 pm
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MIGHTY PURDY!!!

I'm showing 125P7A for the 6G4-A's P/T but yours looks both original and authentic -- likely it's some production change which was never documented (many of the late brownfaces are like that).

How do those Reverend All-Tone's sound?

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Post subject: Re: 6G4-A Brown Super
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 6:55 pm
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Yeah, I'm really happy with it.

I cant find documentation of any other fender amp using this PT, but yeah does look original.

I don't know anything about the Reverend's but they sound good to me. Good low end, punchy. Did the amp originally come with alnico or ceramic speakers?


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Post subject: Re: 6G4-A Brown Super
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:09 pm
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I get that the presence control is tied to the negative feedback loop and is like a bright/treble control. Anybody what to elaborate on it?


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Post subject: Re: 6G4-A Brown Super
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:24 pm
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Most 6G4's originally shipped with a pair of Oxford 10K5's (silver frame, brown plastic magnet cover embossed with "FENDER"). Early '60s Oxfords actually sounded pretty good but something seems to have happened to their speakers after 1965. Where they once were throaty and robustly full-ranged, they seem to have developed an audible patina of sonic "corrosion", especially so with their tens but also to an extent with the twelves such as the 12T6 (used in many Bassmans and Twin Reverbs). Jensen's P10Q was also used in the Super Amp (some sources indicate the P10R as well). For a period-correct restoration I'd shoot for some 1963-stamped P10Q's but for purposes of "play" I think you could do a lot worse than those All-Tone's. They're certainly parsecs ahead of a pair of Eminence Copperheads or Celestion G10L-35s, for example.

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Post subject: Re: 6G4-A Brown Super
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:54 am
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I have thought about locating vintage drivers in the past, but I'm not sure where to look. Ebay just seems like a risky place to buy things that are more expensive (though good tips coming up on the forum in the last few days about buying amps and tubes there), but is it the place to start?


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Post subject: Re: 6G4-A Brown Super
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:15 am
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My Ebay "safaris" have often proved fruitful.

Find blown speakers (that way there's no disputes to be haggled over with a seller) then have them re-coned locally with the speaker service of your choice. I've had excellent results with JBL, Jensen, and CTS drivers that I've had remanufactured at shops I trust.

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Post subject: Re: 6G4-A Brown Super
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:38 am
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Congrats! Great looking amp.

All this talk about Brownface amps is getting to me. I might need to start looking around. :lol:


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Post subject: Re: 6G4-A Brown Super
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:06 pm
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Arjay, I think I've seen in some of your posts you talk about the "tightness" of new speakers and that they can take years to really break in and mellow. Can you say more about that? and when a vintage driver is reconed is there a break-in period afterward? I have read that to break in a speaker its really just 10-20 hours of use which doesn't seem to jive with what I think you have said.


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Post subject: Re: 6G4-A Brown Super
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:10 pm
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Not "years"......merely hours.

A remanufactured speaker is like a brand-new speaker. The cone, coil former, suspension, and surround are unused and thus stiff, just as they came from the company that made the parts. A loudspeaker is an electro-mechanical device and the non-metallic components need time to flex and develop the subtleness of movement required to produce each nuance of a musical tone. Likewise, the adhesives used to bond all of the components together need to be "tenderized" to permit this movement. Specific brands and types of speakers each need their own amount of break-in time, whether an all-new driver or a vintage model that's been re-coned. Though this interval is different for each, by the time the 40- or 50-hour mark has been reached the speaker will likely achieve its optimum-and-permanent sonic characteristics.

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Post subject: Re: 6G4-A Brown Super
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 4:02 pm
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Well, just as a tidbit... my Pro runs JBL D130F. It has a low-mid to die for. Bass runs are clean and rich on your Strat, But, run humbuckers... and wow! You can't believe it's only one speaker. Some repeat amp porn-i-copia:

Enjoy that amps! You know, if you could find some original Jensen P12P or I like the Weber Vintage 12A125 (no doping)... well a vintage thought. :P

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Post subject: Re: 6G4-A Brown Super
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 4:32 am
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Nice looking amp Beemer. I notice that the entire inside of my cab is painted black, but in your photo and others I have seen online, its usually just the baffle which is black and the rest of the inside is clean pine. I wonder why that is.

Also, anyone want to take a stab at explaining the presence control. Its my first amp with one. The sonic effects seem to be a bright dial, but a little more subtle than the treble pot.


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