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Post subject: Help me figure out this tube driven mystery. Fender?
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 2:24 am
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I picked this amp up in 1974 and it was really old when I got it. The man I got it from was the owner a TV repair shop. He picked it up in a trade for a repair on a TV in the late 60's (it was used when he got it) He told me that he had never seen another one and probably never would. It was red when he got it. Who know if it's original color? He also told me he thought it was from the late 40's early 50's.
It's been sitting in my closet for the last 10 years. I have never seen another one.
It says it is a deluxe reverb amp Fender but I'm not so sure.

I can't figure out how to get pictures posted here Can I put it on ebay with rediclious high price. (not really for sale)? Just to show you guys really detailed pics?

Meanwhile I'll try and get pictures up here.


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Post subject: Re: Help me figure out this tube driven mystery. Fender?
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 4:31 am
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Photobucket keeps giving me an error. I know I'm not supose to sell things here so I have made the price unrealistic high. I can have super detailed pictures for the .50 it cost me to make an ebay listing. It will show the amp is for sale because it's the only way to have ebay host the pics.

Please if this is a problem, edit this out of the post and ill mess with photobucket more or on another computer a diferent day.
Do not send me any offers! It is not for sale.
Item number 271059746751


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Post subject: Re: Help me figure out this tube driven mystery. Fender?
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 5:46 am
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If it is actually a Deluxe Reverb, then its no older than 1963. This link is to the "Fender Field Guide". It pretty much describes every vintage amp that Fender has produced and includes photos.

Red is clearly not a color Fender used :D. Maybe someone took the original black tolex off and painted it red.

Maybe you can describe the control panel. Is it on the front of the amp (either black metal with white lettering or silver metal with blue lettering)

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or the top (rear) of the amp with black chick head knobs?

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Post subject: Re: Help me figure out this tube driven mystery. Fender?
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 6:56 am
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Must be talking about this listing

http://www.ebay.com/itm/vintage-fender-deluxe-reverb-amp-tube-40s-50s-head-one-of-a-kind-works-/271059746751

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I have no idea what it is, but I'm sure someone here does :wink:


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Post subject: Re: Help me figure out this tube driven mystery. Fender?
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 7:45 am
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cedarblues wrote:
I have no idea what it is, but I'm sure someone here does :wink:


:lol: Yeah..... we'll have wait til the sun get warm out west before we hear from the sage. :lol:

But I am guessing its some sort a home-brewed concoction. I am guessing the faceplate is from on old solid state DR. It certainly doesn't have reverb since there is no tank. The local shop took in a vibrolux reverb SS amp a week ago. The reverb in it is a spring tank.

Mmm.... seems to have been discussed at other forums. In 2005 no less? Seems general consensus was its a "chop job".

I'd say whatever value it has is in the parts - if some one is looking for vintage transformers or or tubes. I hope the OP didn't spend too much on it in 1974.


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Post subject: Re: Help me figure out this tube driven mystery. Fender?
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 9:41 am
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phansford wrote:
:lol: Yeah..... we'll have wait til the sun get warm out west before we hear from the sage. :lol:


:mrgreen:

Hey, it's Saturday morning. So cut me some slack.

:lol:

I saw the listing last night and shot a quick note off to the seller......

Dear blue_redfish,

As near as I can tell, your amp is a crudely-made copy of a Deluxe Reverb tube amp, but modeled cosmetically on Fender's first-generation mid '60's transistorized version. Yours is the second that I've seen here on Ebay in the last five years or so. The first was made in the Philippines. If you know about EIA codes it might be possible to correlate the numbers stamped on the transformers, pots, and cap cans to who manufactured the components, and when. That might yield more clues about the amp's origins.

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- the1phantomman


That's really all I have to offer at the moment. If gut shots are forthcoming we may solve at least part of the riddle.

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Post subject: Re: Help me figure out this tube driven mystery. Fender?
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 12:40 pm
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It does have a reverb tank. It is under the back.
Printed on the tank "REVERB. UNIT. EAV-200 Pat No. 248931 583K
Then has a symbol of 3 tryangles to make one larger triangle.

The main caps are printed. Rubycon SHIN-ELTSUSHIN CCO. LTD Jpan

I got photobucket working on this laptop ill start posting the "gut shots"

LOL Little big. I'll get it. Bare with me.
I'm on my way to a few local music shops. I'll post what they tell me about it.

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Post subject: Re: Help me figure out this tube driven mystery. Fender?
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 2:11 pm
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Red Tolex - interesting.

This link will tell you how to read the various EIA codes.
http://home.provide.net/~cfh/pots.html

This will help you date the amp from the codes on the components.


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Post subject: Re: Help me figure out this tube driven mystery. Fender?
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 3:41 pm
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I took it 3 local music shops in Portland and none of them could identify it as real or fake.

They all said basacly the same things about it which is good.

They all seem to agree it's 50's-60's (looking at the parts not the amp itself)
Their's a lot of cloth wires in it. (the entire DC side) The transformers and power plug on could be 50's
They also pointed out that it has both MADE IN USA parts and MADE IN JAPAN parts.

The pots. are stamped NOBLE B1M *ohm sybol*
Nothing stamped on the transformers.

On the back it says "Sil. rect." but it absolutly does not have a solid state rectifyer in it.

It was a great convorsation peice! I had the atention of every one one the shops instantly when I walked in. No one has ever seen one. They all said "GO TO THE FORUMS!"

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Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 3:56 pm
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Here's what they modeled your amp's front panel after......

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This is a first-generation transistorized Deluxe Reverb, circa 1967.

Note the similarities in the panel layout, to include the simulated convection cooling vents on your "mystery amp".

HTH

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Post subject: Re: Help me figure out this tube driven mystery. Fender?
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 4:57 pm
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It does look lie it.
No way to tell when this amp was put together. but I can say for sure that parts in it are older than 67. Look at the cloth wires on the transformers.


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Post subject: Re: Help me figure out this tube driven mystery. Fender?
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 8:24 pm
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My first attempt at turning it on was bad. It smoked a resistor. I circled it in a pictue.
After it smoked the resistor the reverb stoped responding and the output isn't crisp like it was. It sounded really good brfore the resistor shorted out.
The amp needs work. *sad face*
I made a youtube video of my 2nd turn on with sound. http://youtu.be/25Y1-EwFEto
Their's not enough of the resistor left to identify it but I am hoping the pictures will help.
It doesn't sound right. I'll edit the pics and vid soon as they are done uploading.
The resistor that is blown is circled in this picture.
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Post subject: Re: Help me figure out this tube driven mystery. Fender?
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 9:20 pm
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What we have here is a very old Filipino Pirate amp head. This one is from the Gabby company, they were known for their Fender and Vox bootleg amplification gear in the late 1960s into the early 1970s. The tolex covering isn't original to the amp, these were all black and had a handle and 2 metal stack/bumper bars on each side of the top. These sell for super cheap on ebay in original condition so I wouldn't waste the money having it fixed by an amp tech. Would be much cheaper to ask around on a tech forum to see if they can come up with a similar resistor for you to install yourself.

Did you clean the face of the amp with a strong chemical or a brillo-like pad? It looks like a lot of the black is gone around the Deluxe Reverb title and the black lines from one picture to another. I once cleaned a cheapie amp with windex and a soft towel, and the ammonia in the windex really screwed things up.
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Post subject: Re: Help me figure out this tube driven mystery. Fender?
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 9:36 pm
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I used a baby whipe. Was gentle but not gentle enough. I don't think I'm going to try and fix it. (least I shouldn't) I might put it into the grave if I try. I probably never should have touched it. It was better off in the closet.
Thanx for all the help. I am pretty confident it is a solved mystery.
It needs a new home, I might be bad news for it.


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Post subject: Re: Help me figure out this tube driven mystery. Fender?
Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 2:27 am
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I do not read all answers but for shure is it NOT a Fender amp . It is not a Fender Chassis . This is not the way Fender build amps this kind of point to point.

Look like a Canadian amp like Lifco or some brand like that.


Probably a Fender front plate but NOT a Fender amp


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