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Post subject: 1964 fender Bassman Amp
Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 3:20 pm
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I found a 1964 fender bassman amp on craigslist. It is the blonde 6g6b circuit and has NG stamped on the tube chart. He has a cabinet with it, but his story sounds a little fishy. He says the grill cloth is original, but it is the maroon oxblood (fishy for 64'). The Cabinet has definitely been changed from a 2x12 cabinet to a 1x15. The trannies and has been serviced recently. Do you think 1100 is a good deal for this? The tolex is original though. I would probably redo the grill cloth, but thats it. I like the 1x15. Do you think its a fair price? let me know

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Post subject: Re: 1964 fender Bassman Amp
Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:36 pm
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Pics would sure help. A July 64 Bassman, should be blackface, black tolex, and silver grill cloth...so it is definatly not original. The 64 Bassman definetly had a 2x12 cab. If done correctly and has a speaker of the right type and ohm (4ohm) then a Single 15 would be ok for this. I think $1100 is a bit expensive for a non original amp that has been modified. I would think more like $700 MAX, but again pics would sure help.

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Post subject: Re: 1964 fender Bassman Amp
Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:57 pm
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T2Stratman wrote:
Pics would sure help. A July 64 Bassman, should be blackface, black tolex, and silver grill cloth...so it is definatly not original. The 64 Bassman definetly had a 2x12 cab. If done correctly and has a speaker of the right type and ohm (4ohm) then a Single 15 would be ok for this. I think $1100 is a bit expensive for a non original amp that has been modified. I would think more like $700 MAX, but again pics would sure help.


Way-ell......(scratching chin in feigned rumination).

There were still a few transition 6G6-B Bassman's floating around in early/mid '64 wearing factory blonde-and-wheatstraw garb. They're rare but I've seen a few. And I have pics of a documented-and-authenticated AA763 Showman head marked "NA" that's in the blonde.

I've seen the listing in question and the set definitely has a few issues. It's possible that the head and cab are not a matched set as alleged by the seller. And of course an authentic tone-ring Bassman cab would contain a single 12, usually an Oxford 12M6. There is an all-original '61 Bassman 6G6 set for sale on Ebay right now that shows this cab and its speaker installation to excellent effect.

Bottom line......is the specific Bassman that's the topic of this thread worth $1100?

Probably. But some restoration work is definitely in order.

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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:16 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
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Pics would sure help. A July 64 Bassman, should be blackface, black tolex, and silver grill cloth...so it is definatly not original. The 64 Bassman definetly had a 2x12 cab. If done correctly and has a speaker of the right type and ohm (4ohm) then a Single 15 would be ok for this. I think $1100 is a bit expensive for a non original amp that has been modified. I would think more like $700 MAX, but again pics would sure help.


Way-ell......(scratching chin in feigned rumination).

There were still a few transition 6G6-B Bassman's floating around in early/mid '64 wearing factory blonde-and-wheatstraw garb. They're rare but I've seen a few. And I have pics of a documented-and-authenticated AA763 Showman head marked "NA" that's in the blonde.

I've seen the listing in question and the set definitely has a few issues. It's possible that the head and cab are not a matched set as alleged by the seller. And of course an authentic tone-ring Bassman cab would contain a single 12, usually an Oxford 12M6. There is an all-original '61 Bassman 6G6 set for sale on Ebay right now that shows this cab and its speaker installation to excellent effect.

Bottom line......is the specific Bassman that's the topic of this thread worth $1100?

Probably. But some restoration work is definitely in order.

JMOOC, TIOLI

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Arjay...So your saying the 64 Fender Catalog had a 6 month (July) lapse? It shows blackface (with presence knob) and a 2x12. I didn't know they had that long of transition, I guess ol Leo didn't throw a damn thing away ever!

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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:50 pm
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My 64/65 catalog lists and describes an available 2 x 10 Vibrolux Reverb but the accompanying photo on the page shows the non-reverb 1 x 12 blackface Vibrolux.

This same catalog mentions a Princeton Reverb but the amp shown is actually an ivory-knob, blackface 6G2 Princeton.

There were many catalog anomalies during this era.

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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:24 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
My 64/65 catalog lists and describes an available 2 x 10 Vibrolux Reverb but the accompanying photo on the page shows the non-reverb 1 x 12 blackface Vibrolux.

This same catalog mentions a Princeton Reverb but the amp shown is actually an ivory-knob, blackface 6G2 Princeton.

There were many catalog anomalies during this era.

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Well that makes sense, the 2x10 Vibrolux wasn't being produce yet, so they show the non verb version, same with the Princeton...they showed the older version, but if they are showing the newer version you would think that they were producing it or at least ready, so the six month lapse in start of production sure seems awful long. Fender must have making changes on the fly as they ran out of product...I know Leo was famous for changing things without telling anyone, but I would have thought by 64 Forrest White would have had those kind of issues cleared up?

Oh well...I guess when it comes to Fender in those days, never say never!

Thanks for the info.

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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:39 pm
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T2Stratman wrote:
Retroverbial wrote:
My 64/65 catalog lists and describes an available 2 x 10 Vibrolux Reverb but the accompanying photo on the page shows the non-reverb 1 x 12 blackface Vibrolux.

This same catalog mentions a Princeton Reverb but the amp shown is actually an ivory-knob, blackface 6G2 Princeton.

There were many catalog anomalies during this era.

Arjay


Well that makes sense, the 2x10 Vibrolux wasn't being produce yet, so they show the non verb version, same with the Princeton...they showed the older version, but if they are showing the newer version you would think that they were producing it or at least ready, so the six month lapse in start of production sure seems awful long. Fender must have making changes on the fly as they ran out of product...I know Leo was famous for changing things without telling anyone, but I would have thought by 64 Forrest White would have had those kind of issues cleared up?

Oh well...I guess when it comes to Fender in those days, never say never!

Thanks for the info.

T2


This catalog is loaded with discrepancies, at least for anything truly considered to be a "1965" model. The Vibroverb and non-reverb Pro Amp are both shown but there is nothing mentioned of a Pro Reverb amp though its design and engineering were completed before the turn of the year and the circuit was designated as the AA165. As well, the Bassman shown is clearly an ivory-knobbed 6G6-B in blackface guise (including the Tolex and grill cloth) though the revised AA864 had already been in dealers' showrooms for some months. Plenty of fodder for historical speculation......

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Post subject: Re: 1964 fender Bassman Amp
Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:09 am
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itsthelawsonn wrote:
I found a 1964 fender bassman amp on craigslist. It is the blonde 6g6b circuit and has NG stamped on the tube chart. He has a cabinet with it, but his story sounds a little fishy. He says the grill cloth is original, but it is the maroon oxblood (fishy for 64'). The Cabinet has definitely been changed from a 2x12 cabinet to a 1x15. The trannies and has been serviced recently. Do you think 1100 is a good deal for this? The tolex is original though. I would probably redo the grill cloth, but thats it. I like the 1x15. Do you think its a fair price? let me know thanks


Hi, Its the Law!
I've a 1964 Fender Bassman with the Presence Control in Near Mint condition.
Sort of the Black-dressed Tuxedo Style with Black Tolex (pictured below).
The SN#BP11922 makes it a 6G6B, I believe same/similar as yours.
I have followed pricing for these for some time.

IMHO, if the 6G6B chassis is in good shape, the transformers are original and working,
and if there is minimal or no rust or corrosion, you have a very good deal at $1100.

Speaker cabs can be fixed and speakers get blown.
Blonde tolex can get cleaned up (except for cigarette burns :shock: )
Tubes, capacitors, resisitors & wiring can be fixed or changed.

But, transformers and the choke are your most valuable items . . . .
if they are good and minimal rust/corrosion, then I say you got a deal.
You'll have a good working man's amp & cabinet.
1964 6G6Bs and AA864s are cool. Go for it!

Did you say you had a tone-ring speaker cabinet with a 1x15?

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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:48 am
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" if they are good and minimal rust/corrosion "

Topp, I've actually redid amps with quite a bit of rust on the trannies. And they worked fine. Key is surface rust versus rust which can't be seen from the outside. That's the one that leads to hysteresis and tranny overheating/failure.

Whatever you do, DO NOT sand surface rust off a tranny. If this really bothers you, spray Rustoleum or some such black paint over the rusted surface. Sanding the lammies will definitely muck-up the lacquer coat between the plates. And lead to overheating/hystersis/failure.


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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:51 pm
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" if they are good and minimal rust/corrosion "
Topp, I've actually redid amps with quite a bit of rust on the trannies. And they worked fine. Key is surface rust versus rust which can't be seen from the outside. That's the one that leads to hysteresis and tranny overheating/failure.
Whatever you do, DO NOT sand surface rust off a tranny. If this really bothers you, spray Rustoleum or some such black paint over the rusted surface. Sanding the lammies will definitely muck-up the lacquer coat between the plates. And lead to overheating/hystersis/failure.




Thanks. My goal IS NOT TO BUY an amp with rust or corrosion.
I am sure most work well, but if there is equal performance
between a clean amp and a rusted amp, . . . . . .

Also, most all of my amps have zero or nil or minimal rust or corrosion.
If I get faked out, out they go back to the supplier or re-sold legit.
A good example that I have on EBay right now as pictured below. You can see some
chassis photos that show a clean silver chrome tray and a couple that have a brown tinge
from the room's reflection(s). I have posted twenty-eight photos within the listing.

IDIOT RARE 1963 Fender Tremolux AA763 Blackface Amp, Blonde 2x10 Speaker Cabinet
MILKY WAY's RAREST FENDER AMP!! * AA763 BLONDE & BLACK!


http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_nkw=fender%20tremolux&_sop=16

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I'm competing on EBAY with the following Tremolux :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


STUPID RARE Vintage 1961 Pre-CBS Fender TREMOLUX EL84 Guitar Amplifier! RAAAARE!
THE RAREST FENDER AMP ON THE PLANET!! EL84/6BQ5 TUBES!!


http://www.ebay.com/itm/STUPID-RARE-Vintage-1961-Pre-CBS-Fender-TREMOLUX-EL84-Guitar-Amplifier-RAAAARE-/360469538157?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53eda8a56d

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Post subject: Re: 1964 fender Bassman Amp
Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 6:54 pm
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Beemer, that's interesting about the trannies. I've used Mack engine paint on a few trannies. I remember reading that Mercury Mag actually introduces rust on some of their Xformers. Can't recall their reasoning. But I think it was on their web site. Read that when I got the Mercs for the Bassman. Art

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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 7:35 pm
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Toppscore wrote:
BMW2002Ti wrote:
" if they are good and minimal rust/corrosion "
Topp, I've actually redid amps with quite a bit of rust on the trannies. And they worked fine. Key is surface rust versus rust which can't be seen from the outside. That's the one that leads to hysteresis and tranny overheating/failure.
Whatever you do, DO NOT sand surface rust off a tranny. If this really bothers you, spray Rustoleum or some such black paint over the rusted surface. Sanding the lammies will definitely muck-up the lacquer coat between the plates. And lead to overheating/hystersis/failure.




Thanks. My goal IS NOT TO BUY an amp with rust or corrosion.
I am sure most work well, but if there is equal performance
between a clean amp and a rusted amp, . . . . . .

Also, most all of my amps have zero or nil or minimal rust or corrosion.
If I get faked out, out they go back to the supplier or re-sold legit.
A good example that I have on EBay right now as pictured below. You can see some
chassis photos that show a clean silver chrome tray and a couple that have a brown tinge
from the room's reflection(s). I have posted twenty-eight photos within the listing.

IDIOT RARE 1963 Fender Tremolux AA763 Blackface Amp, Blonde 2x12 Speaker Cabinet
MILKY WAY's RAREST FENDER AMP!! * AA763 BLONDE & BLACK!


http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_nkw=fender%20tremolux&_sop=16

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I'm competing on EBAY with the following Tremolux :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


STUPID RARE Vintage 1961 Pre-CBS Fender TREMOLUX EL84 Guitar Amplifier! RAAAARE!
THE RAREST FENDER AMP ON THE PLANET!! EL84/6BQ5 TUBES!!


http://www.ebay.com/itm/STUPID-RARE-Vintage-1961-Pre-CBS-Fender-TREMOLUX-EL84-Guitar-Amplifier-RAAAARE-/360469538157?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53eda8a56d

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Topp...sorry but its bubble busting time...if the Tremolux actually had a 2x12 cabinet it would be rare (if original) and would be a one off...but the one you list is a 2x10 model. Tremolux's didn't have 2x12 speaker cabs...hence the original 10K5-7 Oxfords...Those are 10 inch speakers, not 12's.

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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 8:55 pm
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My mistake. Thanks for catching that. Darn
Poop. Glad it did not sell, or I'd have to work something out with the buyer. :shock:

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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:01 pm
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Toppscore wrote:
My mistake. Thanks for catching that. Darn
Poop. Glad it did not sell, or I'd have to work something out with the buyer. :shock:



Wow!!! I had "2x12" all over the place.
Thanks for the heads-up. Much appreciated.

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