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Post subject: Re: Watch for False Claims as NOT ALL Vintage Amps are GREAT
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:39 am
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I guess I just can't let a post like this sit without a reply simply because it's negative and meant to agitate the forum members.

The opening post is aimed squarely at the most knowledgeable people in here and those who have a love for vintage amps. It is meant to anoy those very people and also those who collect vintage amps and those who are skilled enough to repair them for themselves and/or for income. I see this as an attempt to try to take these fine people down a notch and to sully the reputation that vintage era Fender amps have had for many decades without your opinion. Guess what? That ain't gonna happen. You lose.

The fact is that any line of amps from any manufacturer will have it's not so well loved products. Ya can't please all the people all the time.

To make comments about how well they keep working as compared to other kinds of amps is pointless as has been pointed out by the many posts of modern SS amps failing right out of the box. Tube amps fail, SS amps fail. So what?

I think more and more people are starting to see through your pettiness. Keep posting because it is my belief you will eventually be relieved of your presence here as you have been on other forums simply by being yourself.


Once again please note that I have not insulted anyones intelligence or did any name calling.

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Post subject: Re: Watch for False Claims as NOT ALL Vintage Amps are GREAT
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:39 am
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BMW2002Ti wrote:
" OK. Share your VINTAGE PRE 1985 AMPS that you love to play and gig with. " Topp, I don't get it. You are the one that posted this new thread. Then, you tell us that there's as many good new amps as old. And that I don't play my Model 26 and Champion 600 for fear of them breaking down. This isn't altogether true. I haven't played the Model 26 a lot. But, the 1948 Champion gets played every week. At "12."
This is a Vintage amp section. Maybe, post your ideas of new amps in the Modern Amp section? BTW... I have 5150 and Matchless amps which I use, also. But, what the point of discussing their merits in a Vintage Fender Amp section?
Look, you have the right to take whatever is posted on this board with a grain of salt. I'd imagine everyone should. We are all humans, and often overstate our joy with "vintage" amps--- whatever they may be. Isn't that the point of this Vintage Amp section? To keep the lamp lit? And correct each other's ideas of right-&-wrong, with an open mind?



BMW. You are on the wrong thread.

"Watch for False Claims as NOT ALL Vintage Amps are GREAT!"

is the title of this thread discussing all the false claims out on the Internet, EBay
and third party sellers about how great their vintage amps and guitars are.



BMW, aren't you tired of hearing the fantastic claims that are brought forth from owners?
Following are just a few I quickly garnered from EBay. Craigslist is full of them.
Many third party vendors list crazy things on the Internet.

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THE ONLY LEFTY LEFT HANDED 1960 FENDER STACK KNOB CUSTOM COLOR JAZZ BASS ON EARTH
NOT ONLY IT'S the ONLY 1, BOY WHAT A HISTORY IT'S GOT
Here is one of the RAREST Fender instruments in existence. This is the only known of (to date) 1960 left handed custom color Fender stack knob Jazz Bass! Not only it's the only lefty one, it also has a history to boot!! This bass' original owner was Joe LaBracio (Joe Long) bass player for Frankie Valli & The Four Seasons!
=================
"STUPID CLEAN 1958 FENDER STRAT STRATOCASTER TIME CAPSULE 1 OWNER VINTAGE GUITAR!"
Stupid clean 1958 Stratocaster! All original in MUSEUM condition!
Pictures tell the story... Don't miss out on this INSANELY clean piece!
=================
STUPID RARE Vintage 1961 Pre-CBS Fender TREMOLUX EL84 Guitar Amplifier! RAAAARE!
THE RAREST FENDER AMP ON THE PLANET!! EL84/6BQ5 TUBES!!
You're looking at the RAREST amp Fender has ever produced.
I don't know if there are any more than a couple of hundred of these out there...
(And who knows how many have survived...)
This is a super rare 1961 Tremolux.
This is a Fender amp collector's HOLIEST OF HOLY GRAILS!
These amps were made in such a small run that the tube chart was hand typed on a typewriter!
=================
1969 Fender Bassman 50 Head-2 Channel Drip-face Point To Point Holy Grail of Amp
==================
This is your chance to get your hands on the Holy Grail of guitars- the first year Gibson USA Goldtop! Don't pass it by
================
We have found the Holy Grail...one of the earliest "Rosewood" necked Strats to surface in years
==================
Robert Redford & Steven Tyler Aerosmith Signed Computer 1 of only 2 in the World. Imagine owning the 1st of a new technology kind, an HP Digital Entertainment Center - Z545, Home Entertainment PC that appreciates over time, instead of depreciating as it becomes obsolete!! With this INVESTMENT, stick the system away, then pull it out in 10, 20 or 30 years . . . you will have the HOLY GRAIL of Robert Redford and Steven Tyler Memorabilia. Not to mention a piece of technology HISTORY.
===============
Marshall 1969 Super Bass Plexi Head: Vintage Holy Grail of Tone
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Post subject: Re: Watch for False Claims as NOT ALL Vintage Amps are GREAT
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:44 am
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Shimmy, that's a good one. To me (and it's only me) the DRRI and say the BF AB763 are two different sounding amps. External looks can fool the ear, a bit. But, the tone of the AB763 is a bit Bluesier---perhaps due to the OEM resistors and coupling caps. Maybe the DRRI sounds more in-your-face, because of the newest of the amp. Tighter tolerance components. Newer materials used. The capacitance of the printed PCB board versus the tagboard? And the plate voltages run on the 12AX7 and 12AT7's.

Really, two different amps in the same sheep's clothing (IMHO). Both with their own qualities.


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Post subject: Re: Watch for False Claims as NOT ALL Vintage Amps are GREAT
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:44 am
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BMW2002Ti wrote:
Shimmy, "My gal is red hot... your gal ain't doodley squat" ???
OT YT (sorry):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCVsuNnTGD4


Love that rockabilly hot number.
Robert Gordon all the way :shock:

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Post subject: Re: Watch for False Claims as NOT ALL Vintage Amps are GREAT
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:49 am
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BMW2002Ti wrote:
Topp, I've redone several Tweeds. This is a good source, along with Magnequest & Mercury Mags.


http://www.classictone.net/40-18029.html

http://www.beyondeleven.com/Mercury-Mag ... -ttwin.htm


Beemer - you're just a hater. :lol:

Personally I am done. Topper doesn't want to discuss Vintage Fender Amps. I have to agree with Arc-n-spark statements. Very accurate and well-staed. No need to feed the trolls.


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Post subject: Re: Watch for False Claims as NOT ALL Vintage Amps are GREAT
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:52 am
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shimmilou wrote:
Thanks to all who insisted on the facebook type of "anything goes" posting for this section forum, you are getting exactly what you asked for (this sucks!). Can't have it both ways. And feeding the trolls is also a huge help too, thanks a lot. :roll:

At least the OP is on topic, this is a "Vintage Guitar Amplifiers (anything before 1985)" forum, and this topic, which is in the right place, sure beats the ones that don't have any thing to do with this section.

There is definitely a skewed bias for the vintage gear here. Some believe that the old gear was somehow magical and impervious, and can not be matched with modern gear. Poppycock! :lol: Modern clones can, in many cases, be better than the old stuff, especially new production transformers that can be, and often are, made better than the old.
"My gal is red-hot.....you're gal ain't diddly squat" Anyone know who sang that?


+1000.
This Shimmilou is a man who reads and comprehends.
I love vintage amps.

I hate the way vintage amp lovers (on the whole) add adjectives and "diddly squat"
to describe their amps and guitars. If you guys would brag about your girlfriends
and wives the way you talk about your amps and guitars, you would not have time
to work or play them. But, you don't. The you wonder why so lonely.
The you play the blues. Then you live the blues. Then you love the blues.
Then you are the blues and then you love your pieces of wood and plastic
and metal and worn-out tweed and cracked cones and broke knobs :lol: :lol: :lol:

Quickly, house is buring down.
You can save your cat or your $23,000 Stratocaster. Which is it :?: :?: :?: :?:


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I sang that silly Red Hot song. But, Robert Gordon does a great version.

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Post subject: Re: Watch for False Claims as NOT ALL Vintage Amps are GREAT
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:54 am
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" If you guys would brag about your girlfriends and wives the way you talk about your amps and guitars, you would not have time to work or play them. But, you don't. Then you wonder why [you're] so lonely. "

Really? I guess we all need a lay. :lol:


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Post subject: Re: Watch for False Claims as NOT ALL Vintage Amps are GREAT
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:58 am
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BMW2002Ti wrote:
Topp, I've redone several Tweeds. This is a good source, along with Magnequest & Mercury Mags.
http://www.classictone.net/40-18029.html
http://www.beyondeleven.com/Mercury-Mag ... pt-240.htm


My 1954 Fender 5D6 4x10 Bassman has a period 1954 correct Chicago Power Transformer.
I have never seen a Triad. I have been hunting. My Chicago may or may not be factory
installed, as it is a transitional amp between the 1953/1954 5B6 1x15 Bassmans
and the 1954/1955 5D6A Bassmans. The 5D6 is the rarest of them all.
So, Fender could have shipped with a Chicago, then later settled on a Triad.

So, if you know of any original Tweed Transformers for any amp (not just mine)
you will realize why they are the most valuable part of the amp.
I say, you just cannot find any 1950s Triads, unless your dress down another amp.

I just purchased a guitar from Beyond Eleven.
Do they have used vintage anything?
Thought most of it was new.

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Post subject: Re: Watch for False Claims as NOT ALL Vintage Amps are GREAT
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:59 am
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Doodley, got it. :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Watch for False Claims as NOT ALL Vintage Amps are GREAT
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:04 am
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Arc-n-spark wrote:
I guess I just can't let a post like this sit without a reply simply because it's negative and meant to agitate the forum members.

The opening post is aimed squarely at the most knowledgeable people in here and those who have a love for vintage amps. It is meant to anoy those very people and also those who collect vintage amps and those who are skilled enough to repair them for themselves and/or for income. I see this as an attempt to try to take these fine people down a notch and to sully the reputation that vintage era Fender amps have had for many decades without your opinion. Guess what? That ain't gonna happen. You lose.

The fact is that any line of amps from any manufacturer will have it's not so well loved products. Ya can't please all the people all the time.

To make comments about how well they keep working as compared to other kinds of amps is pointless as has been pointed out by the many posts of modern SS amps failing right out of the box. Tube amps fail, SS amps fail. So what?

I think more and more people are starting to see through your pettiness. Keep posting because it is my belief you will eventually be relieved of your presence here as you have been on other forums simply by being yourself.


Once again please note that I have not insulted anyones intelligence or did any name calling.

I agree with this 100%


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Post subject: Re: Watch for False Claims as NOT ALL Vintage Amps are GREAT
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:07 am
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shimmilou wrote:
And that is part of the point for comparisons of vintage and modern. Can't compare a rare vintage amp to a modern one that has a bunch of gizmos on it, each made in a different country. How about a '60's BFDR compared to the reissue? At least a closer comparison.



I like gizmos. I like vintage amps. I like modeling. I like headphone jacks.
I like 1964 Bassmans, 1964 Twin Reverbs and 1964 Super Reverbs.
I like reverb.
Tweed, Brownface and Blonde do not like reverb.

I like Cyber Twins, Twin Reverb IIs, Fender G-DEC-Thirty, and Supersonics.

I like Bruce Zinky and Paul Rivera influences.

I like 1953/1954 5B6 1x15 Bassmans.

I like Vibrosonic Reverb amps.

Not much I do not like about Fender from 1952 to 2012.

I am beginning to like MIMexico and MIJapan much better than I did years ago.

Pertaining to this thread of watching out for false claims,
I like to enjoy and share what I have.
I researched each amp I own to decide to purchase a particular amp rather than another amp.
I really am Fender's biggest fan. Fender Bronco, Fender Champ 12, Fender 75, Fender 140
They are all good amps and Jeff Beck and Kim Simmonds and Cliff Gallup all could
make any Fender amp sound great.

But, I do not ever say one amp is the Holy Grail (except for my Pignose Hog-20w :lol: :lol: :lol:)

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Post subject: Re: Watch for False Claims as NOT ALL Vintage Amps are GREAT
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:21 am
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Topp I have more modern amps than I do vintage. I don't have a problem with anyone likeing what they like. I am not an amp collector like you. I don't think anyone here in the vintage section thinks all vintage amps are great. Just I feel this post was ment to start an argument which is not needed.


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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:25 am
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Arc-n-spark wrote:
I guess I just can't let a post like this sit without a reply simply because it's negative and meant to agitate the forum members.
The opening post is aimed squarely at the most knowledgeable people in here and those who have a love for vintage amps. It is meant to anoy those very people and also those who collect vintage amps and those who are skilled enough to repair them for themselves and/or for income. I see this as an attempt to try to take these fine people down a notch and to sully the reputation that vintage era Fender amps have had for many decades without your opinion. Guess what? That ain't gonna happen. You lose.
The fact is that any line of amps from any manufacturer will have it's not so well loved products. Ya can't please all the people all the time.
To make comments about how well they keep working as compared to other kinds of amps is pointless as has been pointed out by the many posts of modern SS amps failing right out of the box. Tube amps fail, SS amps fail. So what?
I think more and more people are starting to see through your pettiness. Keep posting because it is my belief you will eventually be relieved of your presence here as you have been on other forums simply by being yourself. Once again please note that I have not insulted anyones intelligence or did any name calling.


Arc. You have missed the whole point. You have prejudged incorrectly.
You pick and pull at what is not there. Did you not read?
Did you read the numerous ads pulled from the internet.
Are you a vintage man only? No problem at all.
Are you a man who like modern and vintge? No problem at all.
Do you make wild claims? Doubt it.
You see the fine attemp as a coniving type of plan. Where do you think this up?

In fact this thread is not about any amp or vintage amps or Fender at all?
It is about false advertising claims. It is about those advertisers and sellers
who build up vintage amps at the cost of belittlement towards modern amps.
It is about those who start rumors or false claims that all modern amps fail,
are hard to work on, do not sound good, are not built well, etc.

This thread is to wake up the market place that those selling amps for $5000(+)
and guitars for $10,000(+) have to make claims to build up their product for sale
at the expense of something else.

And frequently, that something else is "modern amps and modern guitars".

The point is to watch out for those that claim that because their product was made
before 1970, it must be great. But, yet Fender had bad products way back then.
I say, beware the claims of expensive amps and guitars.

Not all are great . . . . .

Ooooppps, that is the title of this very thread:
"Watch for False Claims as NOT ALL Vintage Amps are GREAT"

Anyway, Arc. Read the whole thread. Gotta make a comment, PM me.
But, no, you have to spout your negative opinion and indirect insults and
indirect negative comments towards me because you did not read all of the
threads, and you insert you opinion as fact and you disdain the opinions
of others that do not agree with yours. And, you did it without calling names.

Arc. Re-reading your comment, I cannot find one friendly sentence.
Just opinionated critical mass. Oooooppps, that is my opinion. Toppscore :)

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Post subject: Re: Watch for False Claims as NOT ALL Vintage Amps are GREAT
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:33 am
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Topp, think we get the "beware of false advertising." Thanks. But you know...

" If you guys would brag about your girlfriends and wives the way you talk about your amps and guitars... "


What about these women? Photo evidence please! For us lonely boys.

Wait, that's for another board, another time... sorry, the Devil made me do it.


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Post subject: Re: Watch for False Claims as NOT ALL Vintage Amps are GREAT
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:45 am
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Why not just post what were some of the worst amps from before 1980. Im sure there were alot of them. I can't remember all the bad ones I had I can only remember the good ones.


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