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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 3:44 pm
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And we are still waiting on those photos...


Did you remember to pack a lunch, Sergeant?

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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 3:46 pm
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tbazzone wrote:
Hey what did I do I just want to see your amps. I don,t really care if you like me or not. I'll still let you know when your acting like a butt head and I'll agree with you when you not. You tend to do some pretty good attacking when someone doesn't agree with you. And the long winded posts aren't needed.


Tbazzone. Probably nothing you've done. This thread has the whole picture.
Anyway, I am tired of the group stuff. I do expect it from one person, and I said
I am done with it, tired of it.

I know you want to see my amps. I've shown pictures taken of amps & guitars
within my home as well as others from my Craigslist/Ebay/Internet sales.
I do not have time to do the family photo thing at this time. Much higher priorities.
Maybe some day. Butt head I might have been. Honestly, I cannot recall starting
anything. But, I do initiate some very interesting threads and I and others enjoyed
the discussions. Just some disagree and come in and ruin the thread. You won't
catch me ruining anything. And those disagreements can be relentless with
bad comments, and not from me. Count me out.

I am in a different zone, anyway. Just want to clean up any misunderstanding
regarding yesterday's adios comment. Love is too short to have the anger
I was ready to release. Best to move on. Toppscore.

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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 3:54 pm
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Toppscore: As should be pretty obvious to everybody, Brad is a pretty easy going guy. It took a lot of crap to occur before he finally laid down the law and told the other two losers that they would be banned if they ever posted anything on the other subject again. He means it. You yourself have been publicly warned by Brad about your own behavior. This is the last post I will ever direct to you or even refer to you in. You are, quite frankly, not worth the trouble.

You know, bluesky. Find any trouble I started.
If any, mostly after an attack.
Mostly, nothing. Check out your thinking.
Just because you are not happy or agreeable,
do not let those feelings color what's happened.

Anyway, you will probably not take time to see if
I started anything at all. That it is a buildup within.

This is one of the reasons I will move on. I cannot fight
close minded accusations if you are not will not try to share.
If I see you throughout, I will just smile and be nice.
This is a hobby for me.

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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 4:03 pm
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aclempoppi wrote:
Hey, I'm the last to curtail a person's freedom of expession!!!! So my name came up, as a trouble-maker? Been involved in many Protest movements and demonstrations, so feel free to pass my E mail and location to any security entities!! BTW, This is a community!!! Friends or not, we tend to get along wiih each other. Discussions are pretty straight forward, and when we drift off subject, Shimmy will get us back on topic! Can't see the the need of extra governance! "What's so Funny about Peace, Love, and Understanding" Hey bro, try it in the key of "A" Art


No, you are not a trouble maker. Just part of the shuckin' & jivin' group and as I wrote,
light hearted at best. It's only one person with the anger that I need to re-direct my
energies and not go to down to that level . . . . reactively tempting as it might be.
Gotta improve myself. Key of "A" is my favorite. Peace Love & Tuned Guitars :shock:

Aclempoppi, personally, I have always thought your were cool.
I understand that when I stood up to some comments, you took sides.
No big deal. Life goes on. I have a big heart, but I need to improve
to be better. So, patience is high on my list. This hobby has nothing
to get overly angry about. I will definitely change

Hey! Yesterday, I just purchase a 1964 Fender Twin Reverb! Yeah! :D

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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 4:05 pm
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BMW2002Ti wrote:
Art,
I'm all with you... Let's us chill, turn to The Book of Exile Chapter 3, verse 15 and listen to Reverend Mick: "Stop Breaking Down On Me..."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnDpW5vpbDY :D


hahaha good one. Maybe call in the Reverend Horton Heat :!:

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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 4:11 pm
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Funny you should start your return to your post with Robs comment of which I have had part of in my signature ever since he posted it. I put that in my sig as a reminder to you and the other two as to what the forums ought to be all about. They were like that when I first signed on.

I was really hoping that you saw Robs comment and I'm glad you did. From the sound of it you seem tired of being booted from forum after forum and can see that this one is worth changing your ways in order to remain a member. I, for one, tried so many times to have the kind of conversations Rob was getting at in his comment with you but you would so often come across in a condescending and seemingly purposefully irritating manner. It was like you were baiting people into getting irate with you. I tried to drop hints to you about how you could be better received but you either ignored them or simply didn't read what I wrote or perhaps didn't care. Maybe you meant to be that way. So many of your responses to me and others seemed so clear that you didn't read all of our posts yet expected us to read every word of yours and to research and answer every question. Your posts are often so long and drawn out with so many questions that I lost interest . You were often guilty of the same offenses you claimed were unfairly directed to you. Thats maddening!

If you have truly changed your ways and have grown thicker skin. If you have found a way to humble yourself when out of your knowledge zone. If you have come down off your high horse. Then you just might find a few friends here but you have a deep hole you need to climb out of. I know you have lots of reference materials and some knowledge to share. We all do. I can forget the unfortunate happenings of the past and will gladly be part of your moving onward and upward and welcome you into being part of my moving onward and upward as well. It takes two to Tango but it can get painful when feet are stepped on, know what I mean?
I really hope you take my comments to heart. Welcome back Ken


Thanks. Thicker skin is definitely needed.
Might have helped to stem some BS early.
Patience is the "now" verb :lol:

BTW, there is a tremendous amount that is not accurate
or is incorrect or is unbeknownst as not fairly represented.

"I can forget the unfortunate happenings of the past and will gladly be part of your moving onward and upward and welcome you into being part of my moving onward and upward as well."
Thanks. I feel better, already. Toppscore :)

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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 6:22 pm
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Toppscore wrote:
I do not have time to do the family photo thing at this time. Much higher priorities.


Too busy to defend and validate one's personal honor and integrity after being called out?????

Left-coast priorities are sure different from those of us living in flyover country......

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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 11:19 pm
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I'm a member of the "shuckin' and jivin' group" you mentioned???
tell you what Topp,I get out with vintage amps and play real live music to people who for the most part dig it....that ain't a shuck and jive!
You came onto this forum wanting people to believe you're a collector with lots of knowledge.....I don't buy it at all...your comments show a total lack of knowledge about vintage amp circuits and the components they consist of,you want to call things by your own names because you are clueless to electronic terms that a beginning solder jockey learns before he heats the iron up.
I think that anyone who has been around this forum for the last few years understands we are an opinionated bunch of guys who voice those opinions with the knowledge to back them up,and if any one of us is corrected by another,then we have learned something.
We are not a bunch of schoolkids led by the class bully to make your day miserable until you go home to your mother.....your comments along those lines show your level of maturity...or lack thereof.
Like I said,I don't buy your image,you don't impress me one bit with all the amps you claim to own...and surely if you were a serious guitar player chasing tone...you would be using them onstage....with at least one picture to show for it.....not that it matters,because anyone can lift a pic off the net.
I'm going to get to sleep now,we have an outdoor gig Sat. night on a neighboring town square here in Tn.,the temps have been over 100 degrees for a week,and I'm hoping I don't pass out while playing... :mrgreen: maybe the heat will have the girls wearing very little clothing. :lol: while I play through my '66 Pro Reverb...yeah I think that's the one I'm going to use.


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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:13 am
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JMO, mine only, YMMV... :lol:

Boy, has this thread cycled round-&-round. Kinda like a toilet... Oh nevermind.

What we are here for is the ultimate tone. Not who is the alpha-dog. Advice here comes from years of hard earned experience. The best kind. And if the dressing is not all that pretty, who cares? It's the message that counts.

You think this place is gruff? You should talk to old time techs, in person. Esp old Ham techs. They know their poop and sure don't take any poop. :mrgreen:


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Well said, Beemer!!! I too was lucky enough to have had the influence of older Radio and TV repair guys, when starting out with amps. Talk about no poop, these guys would dive into an amp with the soldering iron, without discharging the caps or even unplugging the amp. When I asked them about that, they said "just don't touch that stuff unless you want a shock, dummy!" And one of these guys,actually built radio transmitting stations! Art

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“I'm a member of the "shuckin' and jivin' group" you mentioned???”

RebelSoul. I think you are. To me, Shuckin’ & Jivin’ is light hearted humor,
not mean spirited. You are an AOK guy.

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“tell you what Topp,I get out with vintage amps and play real live music
to people who for the most part dig it....that ain't a shuck and jive!”

Rebelsoul. Good for you to play and enjoy it.

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“You came onto this forum wanting people to believe you're a collector with lots of knowledge.....I don't buy it at all...your comments show a total lack of knowledge about vintage amp circuits and the components they consist of, you want to call things by your own names because you are clueless to electronic terms that a beginning solder jockey learns before he heats the iron up.”

Interesting, Rebelsoul. You are not correct. I want no-one to believe I have lots of knowledge. Especially when it comes to electronics. I have a bit picked up here and there. You should really PM me to get a better idea as to why I enjoy this forum. But, definitely it is not to have you believe I am a BSEE or amp repair expert. If you thought that, take that thought away.

You are right, I do not know all of the components and the correct names. Didn't I have a thread about how many terms are used to describe the tag board or eyelet board or PCBoards, etc? I believe there are ten different terms for the "item" that wires are soldered to and resistors & capacitors are soldered to. Yep. I learned something there, at my request, actually.

Then we got into the big "hand-wired point-to-point" discussion of which someone could only come up with a couple of pre-1947 amps that were "truly HW & PTP" :lol: :lol: I was called all kinds of things because the ENTIRE USA AMPLIFIER MARKET uses the terms HAND-WIRED and POINT-TO-POINT. But no, I was shot down as if THE ENTIRE AMPLIFIER MARKET had no right to change the meaning of those terms as applied to modern or boutique amps. Here is the beautiful part to you, you man of principle: I happen to own a Bruce Zinky designed 1994 Fender Tone Master amp head. Checking page one of the FENDER MANUAL, in clear concise ENGLISH, the Fender Tone Master manual clearly states: “Upon further inspection one will notice many features which set it (the Tone Master amp) apart from anything offered before. The Tone-Master is a hand-made, point-to-point wired, tube instrument amplifier. There are no solid-state (transistor) devices in the signal path of any kind. This amplifier was created from the efforts of a handful of top craftsmen, players and designers who saw a need and envisioned a new amplifier.”

You know, I deserve a BIG APOLOGY and tons of flowers. Of course some will say Fender is wrong and YOU ARE RIGHT and all of the thousands of modern boutique amp ads are wrong. My point was to only say those terms (HW & PTP) have evolved since 1947. OMG! Could Toppscore have been right?

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“You came onto this forum wanting people to believe you're a collector with lots of knowledge.....I don't buy it at all”

Rebelsoul. Another look at this statement. I have studied Fender Bassman History. I do know quite a bit about the Tweed Bassmans from the 1952 5B6 1x15 Bassmans to the 1960 5F6A Bassmans. I own a 1954, a 1964 and just sold a 1968. Knowing a lot about history is not knowing about circuit design. Knowing circuit design is not knowing history.

Are you upset that I have amplifiers and guitars? I have a music collection that is killer. Tons of books. Many other things. So, if you are upset I own amplifiers and guitars, don't be. I have owned, procured and sold before I knew the name "Rebelsoul" and continue to do so since you.

Check my EBay ID: "Toppscore". 4426 Positive EBay Feedbacks. Read the reviews for Feedback from sellers and buyers. Check the one February 29th 2012 "neutral" feedback. Maybe understanding that I acturally do buy, use and sell may give you a better idea. You seem to have a low trust thresh-hold. Go ahead and prove it to yourself.

Another subject I do know quite a bit about is the 1968 Fender Dual Showman Reverb TFL5000D. Why? Because I have studied them and own one. Also, Telecasters and Stratocasters. Soon, I will know a lot abou Jaguars. Recently, I studied the 1990s Fender Plus guitars. I purchased a 1990 Fender Stratocaster Plus Ultra and a 1996 Fender Stratocaster Plus Deluxe.

Following is a Freenote Microtonal Guitar I just purchased to help accomplish some goals.
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Pretty cool axe. There are 36 notes between octaves, rather than the typical 13 notes.

Anyway, this is the Pre-1985 amp forum and schematics, design, soldering components, history, speakers, cabinets, tolex, tones, potentiometers, attenuators, pedals, etc, are all part of the "Pre-1985 subject matter, right? I know very little about the electronics, but have come a long way in a short time. And will continue to grow.

By the way, I believe it is how one shares their knowledge. I have really felt a BIG majority of the Fender Forum members share in a great and supportive. Of course, there is always the couple few who are condesending, short tempered and narcissistic, right?
It is "how" the message is delivered.

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“I think that anyone who has been around this forum for the last few years understands we are an opinionated bunch of guys who voice those opinions with the knowledge to back them up, and if any one of us is corrected by another, then we have learned something.”

Rebelsoul. thanks for sharing your personal approach. Seems good to me. Can’t know it all. We all make mistakes. We all learn something. How does it feel to know Fender calls it’s custom shop production on the Tone Master to be “a hand-made, point-to-point wired, tube instrument amplifier.” See, you (and quite a few others, I shall say) learned something! Who should us novices listen to? Fender?

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“We are not a bunch of schoolkids led by the class bully to make your day miserable until you go home to your mother ..... your comments along those lines show your level of maturity...or lack thereof.”

Rebel, again, I will state: Clearly, there is only one person I do not get along with. IMHO, that person is not of good heart when interacting towards me or about me or behind my back. What can I do? Until recently, I wanted to strike back.

But, as those who have suggested via PMs, just ignore – get a thicker skin – develop better patience skills, move on. You and most who've been critical but not negative or nasty. You are very opinionated, an accurate self-accessment. This post and several others show that what you think feel believe or opine is just that – opinions. Problem is you try to make thoughts into fact, when clearly those thoughts are simply made up and then later justified to yourself by other thoughts you made up just to make yourself “right”. This is really human nature, so "I get it". Just look at your opinionated initial statements ~ not saying you are right or wrong, but again, they are just ideas that you like. Some are simply incorrect to various degrees. I think and opine differently. And, Rebelsoul, I still like you :D That’s the fact :!: I still have lots of personal work to "like" others who are mean spirited or negative nasty to me. Lots of work on my end.

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“Like I said, I don't buy your image, you don't impress me one bit with all the amps you claim to own...”

Sorry, not selling anything. “Claim”? Lack of trust on your end. No biggie, probably not the first thing you have trust issues with. As far as amps go, many forum pictures are from my camera in my home and some are from the source. I do not have time nor the pride to parade things around. Just me and my feelings/beliefs about what is or is not of value or good virture.

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“and surely if you were a serious guitar player chasing tone...you would be using them onstage....with at least one picture to show for it.....not that it matters, because anyone can lift a pic off the net.”

I am serious about music, guitar play, sounds & tone, personal growth and other personal goals. Obviously different than your style of seriousness and goals. Just let others be and they will reveal on their time frame, maybe not yours.

Please show me one picture, just one, “lifted off the internet”; and remember where you got it, OK? Thanks.

Let’s see what all of this is about. I would really like the five or six persons who've been making accusations and who read this post to really consider and remember what they've claimed. There are 512,000 Fender Forum members and about five who make some wild inaccurate comments. Rumor spreaders. I still like most of you few, but let’s learn from this and see what is the damaged caused by purposefully instigating negative comments. I am waiting for the “lifted” pictures of amps to impress you or anyone. I still enjoy most of you, and I do know what it is like to join in the poking fun at others.

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“I'm going to get to sleep now,we have an outdoor gig Sat. night on a neighboring town square here in Tn.,the temps have been over 100 degrees for a week,and I'm hoping I don't pass out while playing... maybe the heat will have the girls wearing very little clothing. while I play through my '66 Pro Reverb...yeah I think that's the one I'm going to use.”

Here’s to hoping you had a great time.
Take care. Toppscore



BTW. I am tired of this thread. I have moved on. Just wanted to chat with Rebelsoul.
See you guys elsewhere. Toppscore 8)

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