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Post subject: Fender Twin Reverb... or not??
Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:50 pm
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Hello,

I have a Fender Twin Reverb, or so it seems, from around '71. It looks exactly like a fender Twin Reverb, but next to the on/off light there is only "REVERB" printed in blue. I always thought that it should say "Twin Reverb".

Does anyone know what kind of amp I have?

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Post subject: Re: Fender Twin Reverb... or not??
Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:38 pm
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Don't think I've ever seen one of those before. Wish I could help but it's a mystery to me.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Twin Reverb... or not??
Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:50 pm
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TazzHTB wrote:
Hello,

I have a Fender Twin Reverb, or so it seems, from around '71. It looks exactly like a fender Twin Reverb, but next to the on/off light there is only "REVERB" printed in blue. I always thought that it should say "Twin Reverb".

Does anyone know what kind of amp I have?

Thanks!!

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Looks to me like some fool added a Master Volume to the amp and boogered it up so the "Twin" part is no longer ledgible. It certainly looks like a TR to me...some pics of the backside without the back panels would help nail it for sure.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Twin Reverb... or not??
Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:48 pm
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T2Stratman wrote:
Looks to me like some fool added a Master Volume to the amp and boogered it up so the "Twin" part is no longer ledgible. It certainly looks like a TR to me...some pics of the backside without the back panels would help nail it for sure.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Twin Reverb... or not??
Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 5:42 am
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T2Stratman wrote:
TazzHTB wrote:
Hello,

I have a Fender Twin Reverb, or so it seems, from around '71. It looks exactly like a fender Twin Reverb, but next to the on/off light there is only "REVERB" printed in blue. I always thought that it should say "Twin Reverb".

Does anyone know what kind of amp I have?

Thanks!!

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Tnx! you are probably right. The word "master" is printed manually under the master volume. I always thought these amps came with a master volume and that the word "twin" is printed above "reverb" hence my confusion.

Through this link you will find pics from the backside for further verification. Can,t upload them from ipad, sorry.
https://picasaweb.google.com/101974307177553094604/DropBox?authuser=0&feat=directlink



Looks to me like some fool added a Master Volume to the amp and boogered it up so the "Twin" part is no longer ledgible. It certainly looks like a TR to me...some pics of the backside without the back panels would help nail it for sure.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Twin Reverb... or not??
Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 3:40 pm
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WOW! A nice set of JBL's and it is an Export Model to boot! Might be worth putting it back to original specs. A good amp tech familiar with Fenders of this Vintage ought to be able to undo the mods and e-bay searches will help you find a replacement faceplate...in fact here is a link.

http://store.marshamps.com/index.php?cP ... gu9q32pi96


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Post subject: Re: Fender Twin Reverb... or not??
Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:50 pm
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T2Stratman wrote:
WOW! A nice set of JBL's and it is an Export Model to boot! Might be worth putting it back to original specs. A good amp tech familiar with Fenders of this Vintage ought to be able to undo the mods and e-bay searches will help you find a replacement faceplate...in fact here is a link. http://store.marshamps.com/index.php?cP ... gu9q32pi96 HTH T2
+1 on the above guy.

The Master Volumes were added in 1972 to TRs, so your beauty will be 1971 or earlier.
Lot of guitarist like the Master Volume mod, so you may not want to change it, anyway.
These amp are always modified, therefore I'll bet your amp was blackfaced as well.
By the way, the 1970 amps provide a great space for "no-disgrace-modifications",
meaning, WHO CARES??? They are only a few hundred bucks, so make it your own.

Have a blast with it "as is", because you can always change it later.
And, even if you take back to original, you will still have to reveal
that you added a new face plate, and there will be chassis holes and
solder joints that aren't right/correct.

So, guitarists modify amps to get more out of them.
You can have your speakers break-up at lower volumes with a Master Volume.

My 1968 Twin Reverb plays clean at low volume levels,
but I have to watch it all the time that I do not awake the neighborhood.
Your Master Volume will allow for play in your home, all out balls-2-the wall and still
have low volumes. I had to purchase a Weber Mass 200 attenuator to play at home.

Home this helps. Toppscore 8)

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Post subject: Re: Fender Twin Reverb... or not??
Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:11 am
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Toppscore wrote:
T2Stratman wrote:
WOW! A nice set of JBL's and it is an Export Model to boot! Might be worth putting it back to original specs. A good amp tech familiar with Fenders of this Vintage ought to be able to undo the mods and e-bay searches will help you find a replacement faceplate...in fact here is a link. http://store.marshamps.com/index.php?cP ... gu9q32pi96 HTH T2
+1 on the above guy.

The Master Volumes were added in 1972 to TRs, so your beauty will be 1971 or earlier.
Lot of guitarist like the Master Volume mod, so you may not want to change it, anyway.
These amp are always modified, therefore I'll bet your amp was blackfaced as well.
By the way, the 1970 amps provide a great space for "no-disgrace-modifications",
meaning, WHO CARES??? They are only a few hundred bucks, so make it your own.

Have a blast with it "as is", because you can always change it later.
And, even if you take back to original, you will still have to reveal
that you added a new face plate, and there will be chassis holes and
solder joints that aren't right/correct.

So, guitarists modify amps to get more out of them.
You can have your speakers break-up at lower volumes with a Master Volume.

My 1968 Twin Reverb plays clean at low volume levels,
but I have to watch it all the time that I do not awake the neighborhood.
Your Master Volume will allow for play in your home, all out balls-2-the wall and still
have low volumes. I had to purchase a Weber Mass 200 attenuator to play at home.

Home this helps. Toppscore 8)


Question...How do you "Blackface" an amp that has a Master Volume? Answer...You Can't, it is not a blackface if it has a master volume...NO Blackface EVER had a Master Volume from Fender! You make some pretty wild assumptions here that you have no basis in fact to support!

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Post subject: Re: Fender Twin Reverb... or not??
Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:22 am
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T2Stratman wrote:
You make some pretty wild assumptions here that you have no basis in fact to support!


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Post subject: Re: Fender Twin Reverb... or not??
Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:40 am
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T2Stratman wrote:
Toppscore wrote:
T2Stratman wrote:
WOW! A nice set of JBL's and it is an Export Model to boot! Might be worth putting it back to original specs. A good amp tech familiar with Fenders of this Vintage ought to be able to undo the mods and e-bay searches will help you find a replacement faceplate...in fact here is a link. http://store.marshamps.com/index.php?cP ... gu9q32pi96 HTH T2
+1 on the above guy.

The Master Volumes were added in 1972 to TRs, so your beauty will be 1971 or earlier.
Lot of guitarist like the Master Volume mod, so you may not want to change it, anyway.
These amp are always modified, therefore I'll bet your amp was blackfaced as well.
By the way, the 1970 amps provide a great space for "no-disgrace-modifications",
meaning, WHO CARES??? They are only a few hundred bucks, so make it your own.

Have a blast with it "as is", because you can always change it later.
And, even if you take back to original, you will still have to reveal
that you added a new face plate, and there will be chassis holes and
solder joints that aren't right/correct.

So, guitarists modify amps to get more out of them.
You can have your speakers break-up at lower volumes with a Master Volume.

My 1968 Twin Reverb plays clean at low volume levels,
but I have to watch it all the time that I do not awake the neighborhood.
Your Master Volume will allow for play in your home, all out balls-2-the wall and still
have low volumes. I had to purchase a Weber Mass 200 attenuator to play at home.

Home this helps. Toppscore 8)


Question...How do you "Blackface" an amp that has a Master Volume? Answer...You Can't, it is not a blackface if it has a master volume...NO Blackface EVER had a Master Volume from Fender! You make some pretty wild assumptions here that you have no basis in fact to support! T2


Hey, DW Bitterman.
Maybe it's a 1971 that got backfaced and then added the Master Volume.
You are becoming the forum's biggest mis-assumption DW, ever!!!
The master volume was added later, DW. Again, read your facts.
Practice your braille a bit more. Open your narrow-mind to open-mindedness!
Wake up.

Your an unknowledgable person with no basis of fact to support.
Look at the amp. Real Fender Factory installed master volume, right? WRONG!!!
Well, DW, look again. Wake up and read. BOOOYAH!!!

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Post subject: Re: Fender Twin Reverb... or not??
Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:43 am
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Post subject: Re: Fender Twin Reverb... or not??
Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:55 am
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Again, to the OP. Your amp is 1971 or earlier.
Master Volumes were added in 1972 to TRs.
Try not to follow every tine bit of advice about changing back to original.
Consider some options.

Lots of guitarists love the master volumes upgrades and options;
so you may not want to change it.

These 1971 (and earlier) Twin Reverb amps are frequently modified,
so, if it is not already blackfaced, go ahead and blackface it.

Be the first on your block to have a 1971 Twin Reverb with a blackface circuit
and a master volume added modification. Real cool.

Also, these amps are very inexpensive and available, so modifiy away
as the master volume has already been added.

I would keep it "as is". Try it. Like it. Play it. Love it.
You can always change it later.

Remember, if you take back to original, you will still have to reveal
that you added a new face plate, and there will be chassis holes and
solder joints that aren't original and will be hard to explain.
There will be buyers who would love to have an inexpensive
Twin Reverb with blackface circuitry and a master volume control ~ very cool.

You can have your speakers break-up at lower volumes with a Master Volume.
Sorry. I meant to say "distort at lower volumes" :oops: :oops:

Hope this helps. Toppscore 8)

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Post subject: Re: Fender Twin Reverb... or not??
Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:10 am
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T2Stratman wrote:
... it is not a blackface if it has a master volume...


+1 T2Stratman

Can't argue with that. At least it would be foolish to do so.

To "black-face" an amp, (meaning to alter the circuit to that of the black face amp), would be, in this instance, to remove the master volume, and reconnect the circuit according to a previous design. There really isn't much else to change to put the circuit back to black face design, other than removing the master volume pot.

Maybe in some parallel universe you can remove the master volume, and keep it too, but not in this one. :lol:

Toppscore,

I see what you are saying, this master volume was added, not original, that is true, as was already pointed out. Prior to the master being added by someone modifying this amp, the circuit in this amp was virtually the same as a black face circuit. It is the master volume in this case that makes the only significant difference between the black face and silver face amps. So, if you want black face circuit, the master has to go, otherwise it would not be black face circuit.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Twin Reverb... or not??
Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:48 pm
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From OP: Pfew you guys, I have been reading your replies again and again, and I can't really make up my mind about what is right or wrong.. I really appreciate all your replies though; I never would have guessed that so much passion would go into answering my little questionI I'd love to read more about it. If I can help with better pictures, serial numbers or descriptions, I'd be glad to add them!

For me the the most important thing is that I have been using this amp for around 10 years now and with great pleasure!. The first 4 years I have used it for playing harmonica; later (until now) I used it fore playing guitar.

The story that goes with this amp is as follows: It was first owned by a band named Alquin, a Dutch progressive rock band from the 70s (spray paint letter still under the bottom plate of the amp). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTkWLNqrUW0

Later the amp was owned by a company that rented amps to the North Sea Jazz Festival. BB King played several years on this amp (on his request) at this festival (so they say). Later this amp was sold to Belgium/Dutch harmonica player who used this amp for his harmonica solo on a cd of one of the most famous Dutch singers ever (@2"13). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrJW5WPV_S4

I bought the amp from the harmonica player and been using it ever since. (and loving it (apart from the weight)) http://www.hootertooter.com/?page_id=170

Look forward to hearing more from you guys!!


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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:01 pm
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TazzHTB...sorry for hijacking your post. Sounds like you have had a long relationship with this amp and have been enjoying it. Good for you. No need to change your amp if you like it, as this was only a suggestion since most folks like Non Master Volume sounds from a twin reverb, especially with those nice JBLs :!: :!:

From the historical list of players that have had the pleasure of playing this amp its historical significance as a Twin Reverb Export Model has certainly been surpassed by it's provenance. Hope you have many more years with your amp.

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