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Post subject: 1965 TWIN REVERB VS 1966 TWIN REVERB(65 SOUNDS BETTER?)
Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 3:23 am
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Ive had a 65 bf twin reverb for about 6 months now(not a reissue) I loved the tone of this old beauty so much that I sold my 1967 pro reverb to get another TWIN REVERB!!! Iyesterday bought 1966 FENDER TWIN REVERB ALL ORIGINAL WITH THE OLD JENSENS!! Ibought another cause I wanted to run both together in tandum!! The 66 doesnt sound is good, volume 5 is the same as volume 3and a half om my 65, It doesnt have the punch my 65 has It runs A little hotter than the 65 also! Do u find this is common when buying these old vintage beauty,I mean are there any 2 alike? Or do they all have thereown character and specific tone? I know its pretty vague what im writing and its hard right at this moment to be more specific , ,but what can be done to make this 1966 twin reverb sound better without modifying? Perhaps I wrote this prematurally and should of waited after my amp tech has a look under the hood.From what little info I gave now , Maybe the tubes are affecting the tone? What general maintence can be done to make this twin reverb sound like a twin reverb should!! note!!to arajay sorry my friend I promise not to snap at you lol!! (i made a mistake last time buddy no worries)lol!!! lol!!! thanks again!!!


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Post subject: Re: 1965 TWIN REVERB VS 1966 TWIN REVERB(65 SOUNDS BETTER?)
Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 5:34 am
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I think you answered your own question. :D

Remember - these amps are all hand built, hand-wired, point-to-point. Every tech in the factory used a varying amount of solder on each connection.

Tubes (from manufacturer, age, usage) certainly make a difference. Speakers make a difference. Wood in the cabinet has an effect. (Who knows what environment the amps have endured over the last 45 years)

The volume could be a bad pot. The vibro champ I recently acquired wouldn't begin to have any volume until 2 1/2 - 3. New pot.... everything was fine.


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Post subject: Re: 1965 TWIN REVERB VS 1966 TWIN REVERB(65 SOUNDS BETTER?)
Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 5:39 am
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That's just the way it is with these old amps,even if all of the components are original they started out with a tolerance of + or - 10% or so ,that means two amps could come off the assembly line sounding different from day one.
After they age 45 years even those same components will age differently causing a wider sound difference,they can sound similar but never exactly the same....like you said they have their own character and that's why you could buy many different ones and find one that stands out above all the rest.
The best thing to do is let a competent tech check the capacitors and other things and replace what only absolutely needs to be,if lots of things are changed the "voice" of the amp will change and sometimes not for the better.
Good luck!


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Post subject: Re: 1965 TWIN REVERB VS 1966 TWIN REVERB(65 SOUNDS BETTER?)
Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 6:13 am
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Rebelsoul wrote:
That's just the way it is with these old amps,even if all of the components are original they started out with a tolerance of + or - 10% or so ,that means two amps could come off the assembly line sounding different from day one.
After they age 45 years even those same components will age differently causing a wider sound difference,they can sound similar but never exactly the same....like you said they have their own character and that's why you could buy many different ones and find one that stands out above all the rest.
The best thing to do is let a competent tech check the capacitors and other things and replace what only absolutely needs to be,if lots of things are changed the "voice" of the amp will change and sometimes not for the better.
Good luck!

Thanks alot Ill do that!! I really think I made a mistake,The 65 I have, Im tellnyouis the best tone out of any blackface ive ever had!! (which is about 4or 5) Ive never heard one that sounds as goood AS THIS 65!! PURE REAL TONE!!And its pretty beat, alot more than the 66 i just aquired.I thought because it was my first twin reverb(65) that (thats the way twin reverbs sound, The 67pro reverb I let go sounded way better!!


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Post subject: Re: 1965 TWIN REVERB VS 1966 TWIN REVERB(65 SOUNDS BETTER?)
Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 6:15 am
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phansford wrote:
I think you answered your own question. :D

Remember - these amps are all hand built, hand-wired, point-to-point. Every tech in the factory used a varying amount of solder on each connection.

Tubes (from manufacturer, age, usage) certainly make a difference. Speakers make a difference. Wood in the cabinet has an effect. (Who knows what environment the amps have endured over the last 45 years)

The volume could be a bad pot. The vibro champ I recently acquired wouldn't begin to have any volume until 2 1/2 - 3. New pot.... everything was fine.
Thats good to hear,Im having the same problem, do u feel your volume increased?


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Post subject: Re: 1965 TWIN REVERB VS 1966 TWIN REVERB(65 SOUNDS BETTER?)
Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 6:17 am
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phansford wrote:
I think you answered your own question. :D

Remember - these amps are all hand built, hand-wired, point-to-point. Every tech in the factory used a varying amount of solder on each connection.

Tubes (from manufacturer, age, usage) certainly make a difference. Speakers make a difference. Wood in the cabinet has an effect. (Who knows what environment the amps have endured over the last 45 years)

The volume could be a bad pot. The vibro champ I recently acquired wouldn't begin to have any volume until 2 1/2 - 3. New pot.... everything was fine.
Right, also the 66 jensens dont want tpo be pushed like the 65 jensens?


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Post subject: Re: 1965 TWIN REVERB VS 1966 TWIN REVERB(65 SOUNDS BETTER?)
Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 6:28 am
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Rebelsoul wrote:
That's just the way it is with these old amps,even if all of the components are original they started out with a tolerance of + or - 10% or so ,that means two amps could come off the assembly line sounding different from day one.
After they age 45 years even those same components will age differently causing a wider sound difference,they can sound similar but never exactly the same....like you said they have their own character and that's why you could buy many different ones and find one that stands out above all the rest.
The best thing to do is let a competent tech check the capacitors and other things and replace what only absolutely needs to be,if lots of things are changed the "voice" of the amp will change and sometimes not for the better.
Good luck!


+1. That amps been around for a while and you may be getting more component drift than the 65. These vintage amps need to be brought back up to spec to sound their best.

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Post subject: Re: 1965 TWIN REVERB VS 1966 TWIN REVERB(65 SOUNDS BETTER?)
Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 7:19 am
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I just want to know where you can play with tandem Twin Reverbs - nice! Get yourself a Home Depot convertible hand truck - a lot easier to tote both Twins around at once vs. killing your back.

With a little tweaking, I think you'll find you'll be able to get your '66 to sound as good as your '65. Routine maintenance on a 40+ year old amp is pretty routine, regardless of what the previous owner may or may not have done.

Congrats on the purchase!

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Post subject: Re: 1965 TWIN REVERB VS 1966 TWIN REVERB(65 SOUNDS BETTER?)
Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 7:42 am
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koocho wrote:
phansford wrote:
The vibro champ I recently acquired wouldn't begin to have any volume until 2 1/2 - 3. New pot.... everything was fine.


Thats good to hear,Im having the same problem, do u feel your volume increased?


New pot resolved my problem. Not being the total tech guy like the others, I have to assume a bad volume pot will decrease the potential output of the amp. It just seems logical - the electrical flow was being decreased by the bad pot.


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Post subject: Re: 1965 TWIN REVERB VS 1966 TWIN REVERB(65 SOUNDS BETTER?)
Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 10:28 am
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63supro wrote:
Rebelsoul wrote:
That's just the way it is with these old amps,even if all of the components are original they started out with a tolerance of + or - 10% or so ,that means two amps could come off the assembly line sounding different from day one.
After they age 45 years even those same components will age differently causing a wider sound difference,they can sound similar but never exactly the same....like you said they have their own character and that's why you could buy many different ones and find one that stands out above all the rest.
The best thing to do is let a competent tech check the capacitors and other things and replace what only absolutely needs to be,if lots of things are changed the "voice" of the amp will change and sometimes not for the better.
Good luck!


+1. That amps been around for a while and you may be getting more component drift than the 65. These vintage amps need to be brought back up to spec to sound their best.

Can u be a little bit more specific, what do u mean by coponent drift? Also the pots are scratchy as hell!! the vibratos not working. I dont know how the seller thought this was acceptable,He wasnt pulling a fast one on me either,He really believes its sounds fantastic!!! Well relatiive to his printed circuit board vox amp he had next to it NO WONDER!! Its my fault i checked to see if everything was original(i was in a hurry) strumed A CHORD PLAYED A FEW RIFFS AND WAS OUT OF THERE) Im very disapointed cause what i like about my 65 is the power THAT PUNCH,I was excited to run them both together but im getting like a vibration or something at volume 6 and up,WHATS UP WITH THAT? Can i do something about that? I know it could be a number of things and hard to suggest anything!!! Ill take your advice let the tech correct some things and I will let you know what he did and how I feel then, and I very much would like to hear your thoughts and everones on the forums. But good news after listening to what iive read ,I KNOW THER WILL BE IMPROVEMENT(I CAN TRY TO FORWARD RIGHT NOW THE ACESSMENT OF THIS AMP BY THE SELLERS AMP TECH THAT THEY SENT ME,IT DESCRIBES THE CONDITION THE AUTHENTICITY AND WHAT WORK HAS BEEN DONE AND THE PERSONAL THOUGHTS OF THAT AMP TECH(thats why i bought it so quickly)IN THESE PARTS ,IN MY NECK OF THE WOODS HE HAS A VERY GOOD REPUTATION, VERY WELL LIKED AND POPULAR IN THE TORONTO AREA(HES NOT MY TECH ALTHOUGH)


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Post subject: Re: 1965 TWIN REVERB VS 1966 TWIN REVERB(65 SOUNDS BETTER?)
Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 10:58 am
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[quot[[/e="nedorama"]I just want to know where you can play with tandem Twin Reverbs - nice! Get yourself a Home Depot convertible hand truck - a lot easier to tote both Twins around at once vs. killing your back.

With a little tweaking, I think you'll find you'll be able to get your '66 to sound as good as your '65. Routine maintenance on a 40+ year old amp is pretty routine, regardless of what the previous owner may or may not have done.

Congrats on the purchase![/quote]
HA HA LOL!!! SWEET AMP JBLS?? Well thats good to hear Iknow 2 twin reverbs is a little much its like buying a car with a lot of power, That what it is, I love that power!! I have a 66 deluxe reverb for practical applications ,But what it is I stumbled upon that 65 twin and was totally shocked at the tone!! I cant express the beautiful tone that comes out of that 65 ,,I realize its special!! I had to get another I got greedy and sacrificed my 67 pro reverb,which sounded really good !! I think your right my tech really knows his stuff perhaps hes the one responsible for making mY amps come to life, my 66 deluxe reverb sounds great also, but the 65 twin reverb IS NOW MY FAVORITE!!


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Post subject: Re: 1965 TWIN REVERB VS 1966 TWIN REVERB(65 SOUNDS BETTER?)
Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 5:50 am
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The amp sounds like the amp needs to be overhauled.Parts drift over years which is normal.


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Post subject: Re: 1965 TWIN REVERB VS 1966 TWIN REVERB(65 SOUNDS BETTER?)
Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 7:22 am
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joncarr1979 wrote:
The amp sounds like the amp needs to be overhauled.Parts drift over years which is normal.

Ok thanks I just literally and finally got an appointment with my tech!! the word "overhauled" freaks me out!! lol!!! Do u mean like refurbished? I guess Ive been spoiled . Every blackface Ive bought from the get go worked just fine!! I have a 66 deluxe reverb thats never had so much as a cap changed on it /(it was hidden in an attic with the cover on it since 66) The grill cloth is still silver!! It sounds perfect!! Having an amp like that in so good condition has it down falls too,I mean you treat it more like a museum piece, You get afraid your gonna put a mark on it ,lol!! Its really something to see many people have told me (techs) its the cleanist theve ever seen) Sorry I got off topic, Back to the twin,YEAH ITS A GOT NO POWER!! And I hope that can be repaired ? The speakers dont want to be pushed pass volume 6 ,which is like volume4 on my 65!! (Ilove cranking these machines and controlling volume from my cs lespaul) thanks !!! I agree all this is normal for an amp thats never been serviced ,Those amps Ive bought previously werealso overhauled or refurbished ,MY AMP TECH HAS TOLD ME!!! (he calls them refurbished) CHEERS!!!!


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Post subject: Re: 1965 TWIN REVERB VS 1966 TWIN REVERB(65 SOUNDS BETTER?)
Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 7:45 am
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That's why some the the best "mint" looking amps sound the worst.These things need to be played.


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Post subject: Re: 1965 TWIN REVERB VS 1966 TWIN REVERB(65 SOUNDS BETTER?)
Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 7:54 am
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joncarr1979 wrote:
That's why some the the best "mint" looking amps sound the worst.These things need to be played.

Thats what my tech said!! You seeIgot my 65 twin reverb fairly cheap,It was beaten up to say the least. But that tone I get from that amp is something like Ive never heard,ITs fantastic!! PURE REAL TONE !! PERFECTION!!


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