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Post subject: Re: 1980 Deluxe Reverb photos
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 10:51 am
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Another vote for the Webers!
12F150s are what I have in my DRs.
Old speakers can sound good but like Arjay said,age will take it's toll,and even when playing a great vintage speaker,I always expect it to blow at some point...I just replace them and put the old ones away.


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Post subject: Re: 1980 Deluxe Reverb photos
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:21 am
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I think I may purchase a new speaker......

I like a cleaner sound to my amp and the Weber site calls out a 50 watt option on the 12F150 as opposed to the 25 watt option - the 50 watt giving a cleaner sound.

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Post subject: Re: 1980 Deluxe Reverb photos
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:31 pm
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I concur -- the 50-watt speaker is the wiser choice IMO.

For a nice punchy "clean" you might also consider Weber's California Series twelve.

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Post subject: Re: 1980 Deluxe Reverb photos
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:11 pm
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Yeah,I have Weber 12F150s in both the 25w and 50w ratings and their description is accurate,with all the ones I've bought from them the description has been as close as I could ever want....as a matter of fact I've put Webers in all my amps except the '62 Vibrolux,which has a Tone Tubby Hempcone speaker and it's a killer speaker....I sent them the original Oxford alnico to recone,we'll see what they can do with it...I was going to get Weber to do it but thought,what the hell,and off to California it went. :shock:
Mercury magnetics has the original output transformer to rewind....


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Post subject: Re: 1980 Deluxe Reverb photos
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:17 pm
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Hey Reb, did MercMag quote you a price on that re-wind?

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Post subject: Re: 1980 Deluxe Reverb photos
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 9:34 pm
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Another to consider is the Warehouse Speakers 12GC - new company that's been around for awhile. While I like my Weber California ceramic 12's, they can be a bit too bright and they're very clean - the Warehouse can get a bit crunchy without farting out.

It's what I'll be buying for my 2x12 closed cab for my Showman amp.

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Post subject: Re: 1980 Deluxe Reverb photos
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 5:05 am
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I concur -- the 50-watt speaker is the wiser choice IMO.

For a nice punchy "clean" you might also consider Weber's California Series twelve.

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I will be going with the 12F150 - 50 watt. Not sure when I'll pull the trigger but will let you know details when it arrives and it is operational..........

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Post subject: Re: 1980 Deluxe Reverb photos
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 5:39 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
Hey Reb, did MercMag quote you a price on that re-wind?

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Hell yeah!...$250 to unwind,blueprint and rewind to the exact original condition....well,that's what it's supposed to be...a high price but I'm going with it. :shock:
BTW,their website says it's a complicated process and only techs with over 20 years experience are allowed to do it...who knows for sure? know what I mean,man. :D


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Post subject: Re: 1980 Deluxe Reverb photos
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 9:11 am
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I figured it'd be at least two bills. But to keep a vintage amp "all vintage" it's worth it IMO.

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Post subject: Re: 1980 Deluxe Reverb photos
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 11:14 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
I figured it'd be at least two bills. But to keep a vintage amp "all vintage" it's worth it IMO.

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Yeah,it's supposed to sound like it did originally and being done the way it is,I guess it will,I figured it was worth it....it will be interesting to hear the difference between the rewound OT and the Mojotone OT,....if there's much of a difference.


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Post subject: Re: 1980 Deluxe Reverb photos
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 11:42 am
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As long as it delivers the tone.

And of course the numbers will all match the chassis serial......

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Post subject: Re: 1980 Deluxe Reverb photos
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 4:21 pm
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Not to hijack the post but while we are talking about xfmrs...

Is there a difference between a replacement xfmr for a DRRI and DR?
If so, would swapping a DRRI xmfr for a DR xmfr be advisable?

Sorry if it's a dumb question. :|

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Post subject: Re: 1980 Deluxe Reverb photos
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 6:20 pm
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I would think that they're built to the same specs, Ty. In the case of an OT it's a pretty rudimentary component, with a single secondary tap for the output. Assuming the impedance for both the primary and secondary is correct, they should interchange without incident. Likewise, the PT performs similarly in both the original DR design and the DRRI, with similar output voltages at the secondaries. The newer design is likely spec'd for a 120VAC primary since house-current is a bit higher than when the original DR was introduced (wall voltage ran about 110VAC back then).

Good question.

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Post subject: Re: 1980 Deluxe Reverb photos
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 7:07 pm
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What are the primary differences between Power and Output Transformers of the 60's, 70's and todays reissue models??....or did Arjay answer that in the last post?

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Post subject: Re: 1980 Deluxe Reverb photos
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 7:42 pm
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You may want to take a look at the Valve Wizard's portion on trannies. Esp the Power Ratings and inherent power regulation (starts about pg 12 of the PDF file on Power Transformers).

There are definite benefits to a well designed transformer, not only in consistent tone---but also life expectancy. Prolly one of Fender's overall good points, through the years. Though some of the RI and solid-state issued models have come up lacking, at times.

http://www.valvewizard.co.uk/


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