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Post subject: Fender Reissue Opinions
Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:43 am
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I was surprised in the recent post about the Deluxe Reverb how many of the knowledgeable folks on the boards here are using or have used the DRRI. I'm curious to get opinions about the relative tone/value of the DRRI vs a later silverface Deluxe Reverb. I've found locally the RI's going for 550-700, and the silverface's going for about a grand. I'm not sure how the circuit may have been changed for the worse in the silverface era. Would it be worth the extra scratch to shell out for the older amp, or can you get comparable tone from a PCB reissue?


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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:55 am
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Either would be a worthy addition to one's sonic arsenal. Personally I'd give the nod to the silverface if only for the better reliability of its point-to-point wiring and US-made components. And silverface DR's are relatively easy to backdate to true AB763 specs since, for the most part, the rocket surgeons that CBS brought in to oversee Fender's amp division kept their dick-beaters off of the smaller models.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Reissue Opinions
Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:15 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
Either would be a worthy addition to one's sonic arsenal. Personally I'd give the nod to the silverface if only for the better reliability of its point-to-point wiring and US-made components. And silverface DR's are relatively easy to backdate to true AB763 specs since, for the most part, the rocket surgeons that CBS brought in to oversee Fender's amp division kept their dick-beaters off of the smaller models.

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:lol: Okay.... I just did a spit-take laughing my azz off at the end of that post. Dude - you owe me a monitor. :lol:

And I have to give you high marks for crafting the phrase "a worthy addition to one's sonic arsenal"

I'm thinking I might need to start budgeting for a DR. :wink:


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Post subject: Re: Fender Reissue Opinions
Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:39 am
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I would go for the Silverface.I am looking for a deluxe reverb too. There are to many problems with the reissues. The Silver face will be worth more money in time.Even tho they have a bad reputation the Silver faces are better built the these modern amps.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Reissue Opinions
Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:11 am
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Personally I'd give the nod to the silverface if only for the better reliability of its point-to-point wiring...


Careful there. Some of those SF amps are pretty sloppy inside. :wink:

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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:32 am
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There are to many problems with the reissues.


Please explain.


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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:42 am
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joncarr1979 wrote:
There are to many problems with the reissues.


Please explain.


Yes, please do explain. What problems are you referring to and how exactly are they better built?

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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:18 am
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Powdered Toast Man wrote:
cedarblues wrote:
joncarr1979 wrote:
There are to many problems with the reissues.


Please explain.


Yes, please do explain. What problems are you referring to and how exactly are they better built?



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Piss-poor soldering is what's causing the lion's share of problems with all new and recent Fender amps, regardless of whether it's a G-DEC, HR-series, re-issue, or VM.

Period, end of story.

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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:24 am
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Have you ever measured the power on the resistors. They put in 1/4 watt resistors and the wattage on most of these is .26 minimum that is the first problem. When the schematics on fender for years were 1/2 watt.


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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:14 pm
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Some Silver Face amps are a great deal,but the good ones have gone up in price since people have realized they can be "blackfaced" easily with the right knowledge and technical skills,the early SF amps don't even need to be bf'd.
You need to read as much as you can to be familiar with the amps to be able to spot hack jobs or "mods" on the outside because you will rarely get the opportunity to look inside the chassis.
On DR's things like extra pots or holes in the chassis that shouldn't be there are a red flag,and also become familiar with the transformer codes to see if they're original to the amp...you will find many that do not have the original speaker,it's a bonus if you do see it.


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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:31 pm
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Some Silver Face amps are a great deal,but the good ones have gone up in price since people have realized they can be "blackfaced" easily with the right knowledge and technical skills,the early SF amps don't even need to be bf'd.
You need to read as much as you can to be familiar with the amps to be able to spot hack jobs or "mods" on the outside because you will rarely get the opportunity to look inside the chassis.
On DR's things like extra pots or holes in the chassis that shouldn't be there are a red flag,and also become familiar with the transformer codes to see if they're original to the amp...you will find many that do not have the original speaker,it's a bonus if you do see it.


+1

As has been opined in the past......

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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:17 pm
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Thanks for the heads up on hack job amps.

Is there a cutoff date for good Silverface DR's? I know some later Silverface amps have mods like master volumes or are "ultralinear" and aren't considered great circuits. Though I heard that other circuits like the champ's are pretty much unchanged through the Silverface years.


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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:28 pm
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I don't think the DR ever came with a master volume. The later ones had a pull boost. If the boost is not pulled out it does not effect the circuit. You can get late 70's SF cheaper and do the mods to it.


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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:05 pm
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I was using the master volume as an example of the silly things that happened to the later SF amps in general, not the DR specifically. So really any of the SFDR's can be modded to BF specs?


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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:14 pm
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s3mamill wrote:
I was using the master volume as an example of the silly things that happened to the later SF amps in general, not the DR specifically. So really any of the SFDR's can be modded to BF specs?
Yes it can.


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