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Post subject: MIDPOWERED BLACKFACE AMPS IN STEREO
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:27 am
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Ive been really enjoying my new 1967 PRO REVERB BLACKFACE SO MUCH the tone is as u would expect HEAVEN!!! JUST ABSOLUTELYMAGICAL!!!! ANYWAY I bought this amp switch (cause Iwanted to switch on occassion from my 1967 PRO REVERB BLACKFACE TO MY VOX AC15 HAND WIRED HERITAGE. On this AMP SWITCH PEDAL there is a A SWITCH FOR ONE AMP AND A B SWITCH TO THE OTHER ,But you can also switch BOTH AMPS ON TOGETHER, And the sound IN STEREO SOUNDED VERY VERY COOL Just when I thought I was all set for amps, here we go again!! :wink: Now I must get another blackface to compliment my 1967 PRO REVERB BLACKFACE . My question is well obviously another 1965-67 pro reverb would be the perfect match but lets suppose Iget a great deal on a blackface twin 2x12 which I believe are alot more powerful will I still get a great stereo EFFECT . Eric johnson rigs blew my mind!!! He has 2 BLACKFACE FENDER TWINS for his clean sound setup (I SAW THIS ON YOUTUBE)


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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:44 am
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I frequently play two amps in tandem on stage in the manner you describe. It's not a true "stereo" rig owing to the fact that the amps are receiving identical input signals, but such a configuration enables some interesting sonic possibilities, especially when stompboxes and/or the amps' own on-board effects are employed......

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Any quality amp would be a fine "soul-mate" to your Pro Reverb, although a Twin Reverb would be the "600-lb gorilla" in such a relationship. A more symbiotic choice might be a Super Reverb or Vibrolux Reverb (their 10-inch speakers would provide an interesting and complementary tonal contrast.

Whatever you do, be certain that both amps are properly polarized and grounded (preferably to one another) for your safety.

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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:06 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
I frequently play two amps in tandem on stage in the manner you describe. It's not a true "stereo" rig owing to the fact that the amps are receiving identical input signals, but such a configuration enables some interesting sonic possibilities, especially when stompboxes and/or the amps' own on-board effects are employed......

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Any quality amp would be a fine "soul-mate" to your Pro Reverb, although a Twin Reverb would be the "600-lb gorilla" in such a relationship. A more symbiotic choice might be a Super Reverb or Vibrolux Reverb (their 10-inch speakers would provide an interesting and complementary tonal contrast.

Whatever you do, be certain that both amps are properly polarized and grounded (preferably to one another) for your safety.

Best of luck, HTH

Arjay
THANKS !! GREAT ADVICE !!!THE VIBROLUX REVERB SOUNDS VERY INTERESTING!!! HOW MANY WATTS? AND 1X 10 INCH SPEAKER? THANKS!!


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The blackface VR is rated for 35 watts (the silverface, forty). Both with a pair of ten-inch speakers.

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Retroverbial wrote:
The blackface VR is rated for 35 watts (the silverface, forty). Both with a pair of ten-inch speakers.

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THanks Again! But silver face ? what year silverface and thats good news if its a silverface the price$$$$ should be very reasonable. but seriously do u have one of these silverface VB? And how good are they?


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koocho wrote:
Retroverbial wrote:
The blackface VR is rated for 35 watts (the silverface, forty). Both with a pair of ten-inch speakers.

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THanks Again! But silver face ? what year silverface and thats good news if its a silverface the price$$$$ should be very reasonable. but seriously do u have one of these silverface VB? And how good are they?[/quote


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The silverface-era amps were released in late 1967 and were produced until 1980. Silverface VR's suffered some circuit degradation in later years but they still usually command $1000 and more today on the secondary market. Blackfaces go for twice that. I owned a '66 VR in the mid-70s. Letting it go (along with a companion slab-board '63 Strat in 3TSB) was one of the sorriest mistakes I've ever made regarding guitar gear.

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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 6:10 am
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I've hooked my '66 Pro Reverb and '66 Deluxe Reverb together and the rig sounds great but I usually only need one.
The DR is around 22w 1x12,and talking about Silver Face amps,I also have a late '67 Deluxe Reverb,it's a very early SF according to researcher Greg Gagliano,(maybe I spelled that right),it sounds great in tandem with the '66 DR.
So in other words,you don't have to go up in size or stay the same,you can drop down a liitle to a DR....depending on what type of sound you're going for,the DR adds a little grit to the mix when pushed.


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Retroverbial wrote:
The silverface-era amps were released in late 1967 and were produced until 1980. Silverface VR's suffered some circuit degradation in later years but they still usually command $1000 and more today on the secondary market. Blackfaces go for twice that. I owned a '66 VR in the mid-70s. Letting it go (along with a companion slab-board '63 Strat in 3TSB) was one of the sorriest mistakes I've ever made regarding guitar gear.

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yeah Thats exactly what I meant *CIRCUIT DEGRADATION 8) I heard that on some SILVER FACES, Thefirst few years of production from late 67 until late68 ON SOME MODELS ,The CIRCUITRY DIDNT REALLY TAKE A HUGE HIT (IM JUST GETTING TO THESILVERFACES IN MY READING FROM THE BOOK THE SOUL OF TONE 60 YEARS OF FENDER AMPS) Is this true? MY GOD!!!! LETTING THAT 66 VR GO SOUNDS PAINFUL LOL!!! AND A 63 STRAT? What exactly is 3TSB? :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:


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Retroverbial wrote:
The silverface-era amps were released in late 1967 and were produced until 1980. Silverface VR's suffered some circuit degradation in later years but they still usually command $1000 and more today on the secondary market. Blackfaces go for twice that. I owned a '66 VR in the mid-70s. Letting it go (along with a companion slab-board '63 Strat in 3TSB) was one of the sorriest mistakes I've ever made regarding guitar gear.

:cry:

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yeah Thats exactly what I meant *CIRCUIT DEGRADATION 8) I heard that on some SILVER FACES, Thefirst few years of production from late 67 until late68 ON SOME MODELS ,The CIRCUITRY DIDNT REALLY TAKE A HUGE HIT (IM JUST GETTING TO THESILVERFACES IN MY READING FROM THE BOOK THE SOUL OF TONE 60 YEARS OF FENDER AMPS) Is this true? MY GOD!!!! LETTING THAT 66 VR GO SOUNDS PAINFUL LOL!!! AND A 63 STRAT? What exactly is 3TSB? :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:


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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:56 pm
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Rebelsoul wrote:
I've hooked my '66 Pro Reverb and '66 Deluxe Reverb together and the rig sounds great but I usually only need one.
The DR is around 22w 1x12,and talking about Silver Face amps,I also have a late '67 Deluxe Reverb,it's a very early SF according to researcher Greg Gagliano,(maybe I spelled that right),it sounds great in tandem with the '66 DR.
So in other words,you don't have to go up in size or stay the same,you can drop down a liitle to a DR....depending on what type of sound you're going for,the DR adds a little grit to the mix when pushed.
Thanks thats what Iwanted to know. Late67 deluxe silver face How do u like IT?HOW different is the circuitry from the early 67 DELUXE REVERB BLACKFACE?


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"3TSB" = three-tone sunburst

You'll find lots a great info in Wheeler's book. Another volume you may find useful for historical reference is Teagle & Sprung's "Fender Amps: The First Fifty Years". I've seen it available on both Ebay and Amazon.

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Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 6:19 am
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koocho wrote:
Rebelsoul wrote:
I've hooked my '66 Pro Reverb and '66 Deluxe Reverb together and the rig sounds great but I usually only need one.
The DR is around 22w 1x12,and talking about Silver Face amps,I also have a late '67 Deluxe Reverb,it's a very early SF according to researcher Greg Gagliano,(maybe I spelled that right),it sounds great in tandem with the '66 DR.
So in other words,you don't have to go up in size or stay the same,you can drop down a liitle to a DR....depending on what type of sound you're going for,the DR adds a little grit to the mix when pushed.
Thanks thats what Iwanted to know. Late67 deluxe silver face How do u like IT?HOW different is the circuitry from the early 67 DELUXE REVERB BLACKFACE?
My BFDR is from Sept. of '66,and the '67 SF is from Dec.'67 I think,and there's no difference in the circuit,that I remember,it's been awhile since I looked inside the SF,my son is using it,I need to take pics of the inside of the '67 SF someday.
There had been some capacitors replaced in the '67 before I bought it...so there's a little difference in the tone between the two...the SF is a little brighter.


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Rebelsoul wrote:
My BFDR is from Sept. of '66,and the '67 SF is from Dec.'67 I think,and there's no difference in the circuit,that I remember


Correct, RS.

There would be no apparent differences until the fall of 1968 when the first AB868 Deluxe Reverbs began shipping from Fullerton. These are visually distinguishable from the earlier blackface-type chassis due to the use of plastic-insulated wiring instead of the previous cloth push-back style. Lead dress remained as before but beginning with the 1969 model year began to exhibit the haphazardness that would come to characterize the entire silverface era.

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Thanks Arjay,that's what I thought and we had talked about this before but I couldn't remember when you said CBS started screwing around with the circuits.


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