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Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 6:34 am
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As I've said in some of my other posts, I'm still learning that's why I ask. I admit this is the first site(the Clapton site I posted) that I have ever saw, that suggested that the "Layla" album was recorded with any other type "Champ" than a tweed 5F1 type. I went back, and in rereading the text, it never states that the champ used on the album was the same one in the photo. The ones in the photo were "some of Eric's smaller amps", by the way Those little Pignose are some great sounding amps. And the part about Duane only playin on "When you're down...", well maybe they only mention his contribution to that song and didn't mention his roles on the other songs. If you notice this is actually a french based website, what the hell do the Frenchies know about OUR music?LOL Thank you RS for the sites and the info, maybe we can get together and jam one day. Yes I love Duane as well, I was born and grew up in Georgia, but have lived as much of my life in TN. as there. Thanks all you guys. BTW, my main goal out of all this is research to decide which tweed amp I want for my first build, 5F1 Champ, 5E3 Deluxe, or 5F8 High powered Delux Twin? I do believe the 5F8 twin was EC's fave but I also love SRV's sound and music. I do think that it's going to be near imposible to get both sounds from the same guitar/amp rig. Maybe just a tweed champ with a tone pot added and be satisfied. I'd rather get closer to EC's sound than SRV's if I had to choose. I just think Ec's tones could be adapted to more types of music than SRV's. Any suggestions on that are welcome, if so, remember this is going to be a porch weasle rig in Retroverb's words, LOL Thanks guys, have a good 'un.


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Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 7:32 am
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I always like to meet musicians,maybe we can jam someday.
The 5-E3 Deluxe is a great tweed amp,I bought one of the new Fender '57 Deluxes and it sounds really good...I would like to build one,there are several good kits,Mission is one I looked at that seemed to be a good one.
As far as the tweed Champ,it was my first amp a '55 or '56 I guess,a hand-me-down from my uncle,and that's the one I used to get all the Layla tones so easily from...but it's been gone for a long time,I still wish I had never let it go...but oh well.
I've thought about building one as well.
no need to apologize for asking questions,that's the way we all learn,and there's some VERY knowledgeable guys ...and gals,here.
And like I said,you're not an idiot,that French guy is.... :lol:


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If you can wield a soldering iron like your axe and have a SF Champ or better yet, Vibro-Champ...try reverting the front end to tweed. It really sets the tone closer to 1950's. The other thing I do to these older 6V6GT amps is put in a screen resistor to help keep the screen voltage below the anode plate voltage. This helps preserve those precious NOS 6V6GT's. 470-ohm, 2-watt works fine.


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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 5:14 am
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I might go out and find a SF champ and try that mod BMW....thanks for the tip....you could find a good SF and do it for a LOT less than the cost of a tweed.
Would be fun too.


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Thanks for the mod tips BMW. I can wield a soldering iron much better than I can my ax, LOL. I just want to build my own amp one day. I'm still learning to play actually, but I know whos music I like and want to ultimately be able to play well. I dream of a lazy afternoon when I can sit on the porch and play "Lenny" or "Bell Bottom Blues" and it will just have to sound like ME playing it, I can never play it the way Stevie or Eric played it, Never, No one can, if that were so Rebelsoul and I would be on tour somewhere with money fallin out of my Arse and Hot models kissing our boots. Oh well, I just want to play well enough to make me happy, and if somebody else likes it, then that would make me smile. Oh, and to see the look on the boy's face when he comes to pick my daughter up for a date when he hears her Daddy playin the hell out of "You better leave my little girl alone" Have a good 'un.


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Oh, and to see the look on the boy's face when he comes to pick my daughter up for a date when he hears her Daddy playin the hell out of "You better leave my little girl alone"


LOL

I used to just take them aside and tell 'em "Look pal, I got a .45 and a shovel, and it's a big desert......I don't think anybody's gonna miss ya."

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Thats a good one Retro ! I like that, I also have a .45, a 12 gauge, and a 30-06. I can get them at almost any range and choose which size hole I want to put in them, with in 30 yards that .45 is mean, but at 30 yards a 12 gauge 00 buck will damn near blow a man half in two. The 06 on the other hand, well, at 350 yard he'd have a hole about the size of a CD. It's all a matter of choice between an open or closed casket funeral.

Rebelsoul, I found a great interveiw with Tom Dowd and Eric, specifically about "Layla". If you haven't saw it you will truly enjoy it I think. When you get through watching, lets send it to the frenchie who thinks he knows about Layla.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKPooc-ImiM&feature=fvsr


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Hey ! This is a vintage amp forum ! Any interest in firearms and the damage that they can do to a person can be shared on another forum. OK ? I can't seem to find the humor between guns and music. Maybe everybody else around here will let it slide, but I won't ! Art

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Aclempoppi, first off I'm sure none of us meant to ruffle any feathers with a brief refernce to OUR choice to bear arms. It's part of our heritage and our RIGHT. See in america we have this thing called the Bill of Rights it's been around awhile, at least about 234 years. It's part of a thing called The Constitution of the Uniited States of America. Ya know, Thats the country where Fender was founded and is still based. In fact I'd be willing to bet Leo carried a gun or at least owned one, and probably even served in the military. But here in the USA the very first two rights of Our Constitution is #1 Freedom of speech, which says we pretty much have the right to say anything we damn well please and if you don't like it you have the right not to listen or read it. #2 is the RIGHT to keep and bear arms to defend our country and our homes against any enemy. If you live in the USA and don't love and appreciate these rights that our forefathers fought, bled, and died for, go live somewhere else, there's lots of countries where it's illeagal to own a gun. Those are also countries that a person would most likely get there tongue cut out with a rusty knife for telling the wrong person what he could or could not do or say. If you are a passivist you also have that right but just remember that you only have that right and keep it because it was bought and paid for with the blood of mine and possibly your ancestors. And it was done with guns. But you do not have the right to force your passivism on any other person. Also I didn't notice your name as Moderator of any of these forums, so you sir have no right to tell me what I can or cannot speak of in any thread on this board. And if Brad, who is the Moderator here wishes to ban me from this board, he and Fender may very possibly face a lawsuit for infringement of my Constitutional rights. The topic of this thread is about vintage amps. There was no offense intended to anyone. This is the last I will say about this, because I will not taint this board with petty bickering about who don't like guns. But dont make the mistake of thinking you can tell me what I can or can not say. I love my Country and I thank God everyday to live where my ancestors fought for the rights that I can love and appreciate. Which also includes the right to earn the money to buy a Fender guitar and play it as loud as I damn well please.


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Yeah ! I let my personal bias get in the way of a good discussion. There's no excuse for that ! It's no reason, that this thread can't continue on about Champs, Allman ,and Clapton. That link to the recording of the album is real good stuff. Art

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Back to Champ & Vibro-Champ mods. IMHO, don't replace the trannies with new hot-rodded Mercury Magnetics (for instance). Oh yeah, you'll get in your face volume with the Mercuries. But, you'll lose tha great slow onset of overdrive whcih is so characteric of a good 6V6GT tube. It's start sounding more like a hopped-up push-pull (like a smaller Deluxe) than a great single-ended 8 watt amp.

Keep the tiny OEM trannies. They sound SO GOOD when pushed to saturation. One other little trick. If you have been blowing 6V6GT (shutter at the thought) and you've already added a screen resistor to no avail --- try adding a 820ohm, 1 watt grid resistor to the 6V6GT. This will brown the tone slightly. But, I had good experience with this setup increasing the life of precious RCA NOS 6V6GT's. I believe that the increase of outlet AC voltage in the last 30-40 years has pushed the B+ voltage to above nominal values. Solder both resistors across unused tangs on the socket, like what is done on Fender 6L6GC amps.

One other thing, use 50 VDC rated bypass cap, instead of 25 VDC ones. For the same reason.

Good luck. I LOVE my SF Vibro-Champ and BF Champ. Use them all the time. Usually at 7 or above.


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Yeah ! I let my personal bias get in the way of a good discussion. There's no excuse for that ! It's no reason, that this thread can't continue on about Champs, Allman ,and Clapton. That link to the recording of the album is real good stuff. Art
Glad to see you feel that way Art,I feel like we're friends here and some of us feel about guns as strongly as we feel about guitars and amps,I can see your side and I think sometimes we forget that some people have other views.
I always value your input on all things Fender and anything music.
Also thanks for the extra info an the Champ mods BMW,I've seen lots of good things about Mercury magnetics and can understand what you're saying about keeping the original trannies....thanks.


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I have heard all good things about Mercury's iron, but I've read the same things Rebel and BMW say. I had first thought of useing Mercury trannies in my champ or 5E3 build until I had read more about them (and saw the price) They seem more fitting for a professional type musicians amp than what I am aiming for. I want to recreate as closely as possible the 1958 tweed champ my older cousin had before he died. It was all original except I remember a tube or two may have been replaced but that would have been done at the one old television and radio shop in our small town and most likely with tubes that were exact original replacement parts. I don't know that to be fact I was only 12 or 14 then but I remember how that little amp sounded and that I loved hearing him play through it.
Art, I want to say that I really do respect your knowledge and the things you share about music. And while I'm not sorry for standing up for my rights, I do apoligize that we got off on the wrong foot. I hope we can just let bygones be bygones and be friends in music and from now on I will respect your feelings on guns and stick to discussing and learning about music.


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Hey man, we're OK !!! It's some of my life experiences that cause these flare-ups. It's not you ! Keep Pickin' ! Art

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Speaking of the 6V6GT tubes I've noticed that some have black glass and some the glass is clear. Why the difference?


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