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Post subject: Has anybody owned a vintage Super?
Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 12:56 pm
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I'm kind of thinking about a 2X10 Fender as my next purchase and the BF Vibrolux is the usually everybody's choice.
You know how it is...I don't need one but what the heck...I don't have all the money right yet but will in a couple of months so I'm still pondering.
I own a BF Pro Reverb and a couple of Deluxe Reverbs and it would fit in nicely,but there's a nice Brown '62 Super for a hefty price ($2,700) in a local store,and it seems the Tweed Supers must be a rare bird,and I've considered a Victoria copy of a Super,but have never heard one in person.
What's the opinions of a Super from those that know?
Worth the effort of finding one or just go with the BF Vibrolux?
Just "gassing" for something different.

oh yeah,for the record,I play Strats....and blues. 8)


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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:20 pm
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The 6G4 Super shares many of its features (and sonic vibe) with the other brownfaces of the era......more tonal "fattitude" due to the cathode-follower based tone stack located further downstream in the circuit (ie: less-dramatic lows and highs, with a dramatic kick to the mid-range), a variable NFL modulated by a "presence" control (some prefer this feature over the later "bright" switches of the blackface platforms), and the oh-so-heavenly multi-tube "harmonic tremolo". Expect less output from this amp than a 2 x 6L6 blackface or silverface (around 30 watts) but tonally it's close cousin to the '63 Vibroverb. Likewise, don't expect miracles from the Super's 10K5-1 Oxfords but these are easily and non-invasively replaced by P10Qs, Weber 10A125s, or whatever your pleasure happens to be.

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Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 6:07 am
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Thanks Arjay...I knew you would have some good intel on this.
I was kind of thinking along the same lines and I want something that is different enough from the Pro that I can enjoy it more,I'm afraid the Vibro will be a little too similar.
The Brown Super is enticing and the "presence" has to be better...I don't like the bright switch,and really the BFs have that scooped mid that is good,but I want something with more power than a Tweed Deluxe with a similar tone but kind of between the BRDR and BF Pro....and I don't have an amp with 2 10s.


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Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 10:08 am
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Rebelsoul wrote:
....and I don't have an amp with 2 10s.


Which was precisely my motivation for building this conversion......

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The amp is an unmodified silverface drip-edge '67 Bandmaster while the speakers are a pair of re-coned CTS alnico 10's from a '74 Fender PA column. It's punchy and bright, kind of like a Princeton Reverb on steroids. And the brownface cosmetics are the icing on the cake. I call it my "Surfmaster".

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Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:18 pm
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Very Nice!
Man ain't it great to be able to play through the old babies and get that tone!...and you can still find different amps to get more tube-y honey drippin' tones.
I've seen alot of your gear,man you have the addiction as bad as I do.


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Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 4:03 pm
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Rebelsoul wrote:
Very Nice!
Man ain't it great to be able to play through the old babies and get that tone!...and you can still find different amps to get more tube-y honey drippin' tones.
I've seen alot of your gear,man you have the addiction as bad as I do.


Indeed! And like you, I try to take a few "young skulls full of mush" under my wing and show them the ropes. My latest "graduate" will be weighing in here shortly, I expect......he ended up with the "mother of all vintage rock/blues rigs".

I'm trying to convince him to adopt me so he can put me in his will......

:mrgreen:

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Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 6:12 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
I'm trying to convince him to adopt me so he can put me in his will......

LOL I think it should be the other way around :D

The result of Arjay's addiction I mean wisdom :)

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Post subject: '62 Super
Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 5:40 am
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I have a '62 Super and love it!
Of all the brown face "Professional Series" this is the only
one that uses a tube rectifier which, for me, is a big plus.
I have Naylor 1040s (2x10) which sre unbelievable! An amp tech
who recently serviced my amp told me they were the best 10"
speakers he's ever heard. He was comparing them to the speakers
in 2 Super Reverb amps in his shop (1 BF, 1 SF).
The sound is huge and old, plenty of low end and that sweet harmonic vibrato sounds like no other.
I also have a '65 Deluxe (no reverb) which I also love, again
a tube rectifier.
I paid $2k for the Super about 6 months ago.


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Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 8:10 am
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The harmonic trem simply has to be heard to be appreciated. Though the circuitry is complex (two and sometimes three tubes are required) it's one of the features I'd love to see Fender resurrect......perhaps in another hand-wired re-issue from the amp custom shop.

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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 9:42 pm
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I bought a "Franken-Fender" Super amp this week.It is a 1961 Fender Super 6G4-A chassis. In a 1961 Fender Pro 6G5 cabinetSo it is a Super pushing a 15 inch speaker at 4ohms.

It came from a studio in Nashville where the last owner bought it 30 years ago

The Super is mostly original but one of the transformers was changed to a bigger one to drive a 4 ohm 15 inch speaker which is also a replacement. The "dog bone" handle was also changed.

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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 10:58 pm
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Looks great. EXCEPT......

Except for that deadly looking 2-conductor power cord and the metal-cased "suicide plug" on the end.

That's a critical case of CPR just waiting to be called into a 911 operator!

Better have that changed out ASAP.

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Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 1:35 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
Looks great. EXCEPT......

Except for that deadly looking 2-conductor power cord and the metal-cased "suicide plug" on the end.

That's a critical case of CPR just waiting to be called into a 911 operator!

Better have that changed out ASAP.

Arjay


Haha,thanks Arjay,I'm going to change it.


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Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 5:27 am
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Man that's cool,if you didn't know better you would think it came from the factory that way....I bet it sounds great.


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Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 9:25 am
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It's never necessary to change a transformer to "drive a bigger speaker". More likely, the output tranny was swapped because the original failed in some manner. That output tranny looks like one for a Showman or a Vibrasonic -- if you get us the numbers off of it we'll tell you exactly what it is. The speaker looks like the OEM Eminence driver that Fender installed in the re-issue '64 Vibroverb. Likewise, the grill cloth is a reproduction weave, probably the same Mojotone material I used on my "Pro" clone. I think that brown Nubtex is new as well.

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Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 11:07 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
It's never necessary to change a transformer to "drive a bigger speaker". More likely, the output tranny was swapped because the original failed in some manner. That output tranny looks like one for a Showman or a Vibrasonic -- if you get us the numbers off of it we'll tell you exactly what it is. The speaker looks like the OEM Eminence driver that Fender installed in the re-issue '64 Vibroverb. Likewise, the grill cloth is a reproduction weave, probably the same Mojotone material I used on my "Pro" clone. I think that brown Nubtex is new as well.

Arjay


Thanks guys! And thanks for the info Arjay.It is a mutt for sure but I am pretty confident the tolex is original

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