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Opinions and first-hand knowledge are fine; the "I've heard that" is fine as well and I have no issue with them. It's just that this is the latest in a pattern from some users of posting material (text, images) that isn't theirs without clarifying.


I usually respond to a post only if I actually have something useful to contribute. And I always differentiate between that which I know and that which I think (fact vs opinion). But I never get involved in a topic for which I have absolutely no knowledge or interest.

I've owned, played, repaired, rebuilt, and restored Fender amps since 1966 so I figure something I have to say on a given topic may be of use to someone. And with some 2200+ professional gigs logged since 1967, I "walk the walk" just as much as I "talk the talk".

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Arjay - my quote wasn't directed against you, Art or Supro - you guys have years of first-hand experience that is immensely helpful to me and other users.

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Jay -

Savage makes good amps - that would be one heck of a collection room!

I could be wrong, but I thought I had read that Groove Tubes did buy GE's old tube factory in the US, or at least the parts, so that some of their tube lines were manufactured by them vs. just being sourced. Can't find the article now, but perhaps Brad can jump in and clarify on behalf of Fender.

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We're kewl, Nedo.

You know who I'm referring to.

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Savage makes good amps - that would be one heck of a collection room!

I could be wrong, but I thought I had read that Groove Tubes did buy GE's old tube factory in the US, or at least the parts, so that some of their tube lines were manufactured by them vs. just being sourced. Can't find the article now, but perhaps Brad can jump in and clarify on behalf of Fender.


you could be right. I wouldn't know. The guy I takes to thought the groove tube GEs were very good, adding extra "umpf" but recommended against them for my amp as they would accent clear power and Add little color to an amp that is criticized for being loud and clear, loud and hard to break. Plus the GEs were much more expensive.


I found the article, but there's no date on it anywhere.

http://www.legendarytones.com/groovetubes.html

I'm not sure how much the Sovteks were, but when I checked with Mike K at http://www.kcanostubes.com, the Groove Tubes 6L6GE's were about $60 a pair. This was back in November and prices may have changed, but the prices may have come down.

I'm new to the 6L6 world, having been big on the Mazda NOS 6V6 for my Princeton and Princeton Reverb. When my JJ 6L6's give out, I may give the Groove Tubes 6L6GE's a try.

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Good article, Ned. My guess is late 2002- 03. From my reading, Mr. Pittman managed to set up the tube production site in San Fernando in 2002. After that the published history seems to be pretty sketchy. I think Supro had posted some info on this subject, that encompassed their need to relocate production, due to EPA constraints.(help me out here buddy) Anyway, I've got a pair of GT 6L6GE's from 2005, with near 1000 hrs. They are still within 1ma of each other and plenty strong. When compared to my late 50's iteration GE(200-300hrs) tubes, they just don't deliver the same depth and balance. But in comparison to a pair of GT6L6S(aka Tesla-JJ) from '06 with 800hrs(within 1ma), they are very clear and balanced. I like the GT6L6S tubes for that "Stonesy" kind of grind and heavier blues sounds. Used the St Petersburg's Svetlanas quite a bit in the '80s and '90s. I really liked those tubes in my old Twin Reverb. After the company changed hands, I've tried several of the Winged C 6L6s(St Petersburg) tubes, with mixed results. Don't have much experience with the Sovtek tubes, except when a player requested them for a retube. They seemed to be fine, but I never spent the quality time with them. Art

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@nedorama

Ned, I'm not the only person who copies text from other Websites...

There are many sites such as eBay and others who are doing this.

For example, eBay uses a Wiki article to describe a product.

On the other side, I'll try to working around a solution in order to avoid future conficts. I've already done a nice workaround for images on my recent posts, take a look at them and tell me what do you think.


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nedorama wrote:
Jay -

Savage makes good amps - that would be one heck of a collection room!

I could be wrong, but I thought I had read that Groove Tubes did buy GE's old tube factory in the US, or at least the parts, so that some of their tube lines were manufactured by them vs. just being sourced. Can't find the article now, but perhaps Brad can jump in and clarify on behalf of Fender.

I have read that too,and then later was reading where the EPA or somebody wouldn't let GT make the tubes,I guess in California...I bought some Groove Tube labeled GE 6L6s and they're fine.
I have used lots of real GE tubes in the past and they are really good,I still use the NOS 12AX7s and 6v6s that I have on hand.


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@nedorama

Ned, I'm not the only person who copies text from other Websites...

There are many sites such as eBay and others who are doing this.

For example, eBay uses a Wiki article to describe a product.

On the other side, I'll try to working around a solution in order to avoid future conficts. I've already done a nice workaround for images on my recent posts, take a look at them and tell me what do you think.


To be clear, just because other people do something doesn't mean it's condoned, whether it's people on forums or on eBay.

Again, if you want to link to the Fender Field Guide, which is a great site, by all means - just don't pull text from their site and pass it off as your own.

I appreciate your willingness to look at the images as well as this. i enjoy your Fender passion, and we all don't want to lose that as it makes the forums special.

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Of course I can use text from other sites and rewrite it in my own manner in order to become more suitable for the forums. I've already done this on an article concerning the early silverface Bandmasters, working around a text taken from GGJaguar's Website and making some changes if necessary. Wikipedia already does this.

If you like very much blackface Bandmaster combos, I suggest you to make also a silverface Bandmaster combo with a late 1970s scripted tailless logo on it and post a photo of your new baby on the forums.


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Chromeface,why would you take material from a site and rewrite it in your own way to make it "more suitable for the forums"?
Do you have experience and knowledge in the things you're writing about?
If you don't,you might just be passing along internet mistakes...just because it happens to be written somewhere doesn't mean it is correct.
I think most people come here to gain knowledge from people who have learned it over the years themselves...not just something they read but haven't done.
We could all post links to another site,but some of us get our hands dirty poking around in amps and guitars and actually trying to get better tones.
I'm not flaming you,but I think that's what Ned is getting at.


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Chromeface,why would you take material from a site and rewrite it in your own way to make it "more suitable for the forums"?
Do you have experience and knowledge in the things you're writing about?
If you don't,you might just be passing along internet mistakes...just because it happens to be written somewhere doesn't mean it is correct.


+1

The last thing this site needs is somebody parroting and peddling the same mis-information and errata that infests other online resources. It makes as much sense as the weisenheimers on Ebay who are purporting to sell a "pre-CBS 1965 Pro Reverb" or an "AB763 Dual Showman Reverb" (neither of these exist).

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Thanks for all the feedback. I went with TAD's and I am very happy. The amp has a deeper tone now, more bottom end so its warmer sounding.


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Hey Skate, glad to hear you got some tubes that you're happy with ! Keep pickin' Art

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