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Bestron wrote:
those silver drip bandmasters are really nice and punchy, with the original cab they definitely move some air!

I'd say they are in the 1000 USD range, depending on the condition (that's amp+cab)

the heads usually go for around 600 USD and you can get another 400 for the cab if everything's all original, etc etc

I'll check in last year's VG guide and let you know :D (don't have it here right now)


I've seen a couple of them listed on ebay in the past week and they don't seem to get much interest. There's one on there that looks to be in very nice shape that hasn't gotten a bid with a starting price of $300. If that's any true indication of the amplifier's worth, it looks like I have a white elephant as far as selling it is concerned. But it's still a sweet amp! 8)


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just checked the 2009 VG Price Guide and it says:

900 head + cabinet
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500 head
375 cabinet

I'd say 1000 USD is realistic considering the condition of the amp and it's not that easy to find a head+cab :D


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Bestron wrote:
just checked the 2009 VG Price Guide and it says:

900 head + cabinet
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500 head
375 cabinet

I'd say 1000 USD is realistic considering the condition of the amp and it's not that easy to find a head+cab :D


Thanks for doing the research. I'll give it a shot and see what happens. Thanks again!


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Well I've finally decided to take the plunge. I've put it up on Ebay. We'll see what happens.

Wish me luck!!!

Check it out here...... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 1527wt_930


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Okay... so no one even came close to what some thought I might get for the Bandmaster head and cab. So I'll try just the head now.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 1269wt_930


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I'm sort of unclear on why you want to unload an otherwise nice vintage piece like a Bandmaster. I could see ditching the cabinet since they're awkward to transport and not particularly efficient. But the amp heads are great platforms for stuffing into a combo box or mating with a more appropriate speaker enclosure. I just finished up "re-arranging" the furniture on a blackface '66......

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This no-frills set combines the head with a matching new-build Showman-sized enclosure and a pair of recycled 50-watt Fender/Eminence 12's. It's what I would correctly term a "vintage-modified" Bandmaster. The cabinet is much more articulate at low freqencies and punchier throughout the mids. With a couple of decent pedals the rig's tone is as tasty as can be......no fizz, no gimmicks, relatively small "stage footprint" and it puts out forty REAL watts.

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chromeface wrote:
The drip-edge trim has been dropped in the early 1970s.

AFAIK, some late '60s SF amps had the blackface AB763 circuit. The change to the AC568 occurred in May 1968.

The AC568 was not a success.

Many musicians prefer the AB763 to the AC568, as the blackface circuit makes for a better-sounding amp.

Silverface amps can be easily blackfaced by replacing the AC568 with the much popular AB763.


Just as a follow-up foot-note to clear this up, the last year for the Silver Face amps with the "drip-edge trim" WAS 1968. I've had several '69s (Bandmasters, Super Reverbs and a Deluxe), still have a 69 Vibrolux Reverb, and none had the drip-edge trim. I've never seen any 69's or 1970 models with that trim either.

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Just as a follow-up foot-note to clear this up, the last year for the Silver Face amps with the "drip-edge trim" WAS 1968. I've had several '69s (Bandmasters, Super Reverbs and a Deluxe), still have a 69 Vibrolux Reverb, and none had the drip-edge trim. I've never seen any 69's or 1970 models with that trim either.


I have seen examples of drip-edge trim installed on *some* original '69 Fender amps. And if you care to check page 45 of Fender's 1970 catalog, you'll see their Dual Showman Reverb head sitting atop a drip-edge cabinet (the amp itself is not so equipped). The drip-edge molding was used until the entire stock was used up. Thus, it appears -- spuriously -- until that moment ultimately occurred (likely sometime in the late summer of '69 when the photo layout for the '70 catalog was shot).

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Post subject: Re: Early Silver Face Bandmaster
Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 12:08 pm
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My '69 DSR has the drip edge.

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My '69 DSR has the drip edge.


+1

They're rare but they're out there.

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vintageguitarz wrote:
Just as a follow-up foot-note to clear this up, the last year for the Silver Face amps with the "drip-edge trim" WAS 1968. I've had several '69s (Bandmasters, Super Reverbs and a Deluxe), still have a 69 Vibrolux Reverb, and none had the drip-edge trim. I've never seen any 69's or 1970 models with that trim either.


I have seen examples of drip-edge trim installed on *some* original '69 Fender amps. And if you care to check page 45 of Fender's 1970 catalog, you'll see their Dual Showman Reverb head sitting atop a drip-edge cabinet (the amp itself is not so equipped). The drip-edge molding was used until the entire stock was used up. Thus, it appears -- spuriously -- until that moment ultimately occurred (likely sometime in the late summer of '69 when the photo layout for the '70 catalog was shot).

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What Fender showed in a catalog and what actually was produced for retail sales is two different things; there are many examples of product they showed that was cancelled or never made it to dealers. And having been in the advertising industry, photo shoots for products are done a year in advance, so using old products as new releases is nothing new. Especially for Fender's history of being "Cheap skates" for using old photos to save money. My deceased uncle who worked for Fender from the late 50's till 1999 often commented that. We still live less than 15 miles from the old Santa Ana factory.

On nearly all Fender amp collector sites and forums, the convention IS that the drip frame ended at the end of 1968. If you can show me other-wise, please do and I'll change my agreement after having seen and used in studios and on stage too many 69's and 70's that didn't have it.

Also, way too many amps are miss identified by owners as this year or that, because of the lousy serial numbering system Fender is famous for using since the beginning of time. Chassis were made and number stamped in the multi-hundreds at a time to save money and who knows what order they came out of boxes to be used, or how long sat there misplaced in a warehouse corner in Santa Ana or later Fullerton. I have one of those very rare January 1964 Black Tolex "Tweed" Champs that is an anomaly because Leo Fender just didn't want to waste the small batch "Tweed Champ" boxes that they had left over. I also had an October 1964 Champ in the newer style cabinet in Black Tolex we are all familiar with too. (Sorry I sold that one)

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vintageguitarz wrote:
On nearly all Fender amp collector sites and forums, the convention IS that the drip frame ended at the end of 1968. If you can show me other-wise, please do and I'll change my agreement after having seen and used in studios and on stage too many 69's and 70's that didn't have it.


With all due respect my '69 DRS has the drip edge. You can verify this in my posts with pictures including visible date codes on the caps for 69.
viewtopic.php?f=12&t=69487

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I paid 450 for mine with scratchy pots but it had new filter caps
needed a good cleaning too

Now its priceless, wouldn't sell it unless I had no food to eat ! 8)

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Arc-n-spark wrote:
vintageguitarz wrote:
On nearly all Fender amp collector sites and forums, the convention IS that the drip frame ended at the end of 1968. If you can show me other-wise, please do and I'll change my agreement after having seen and used in studios and on stage too many 69's and 70's that didn't have it.


With all due respect my '69 DRS has the drip edge. You can verify this in my posts with pictures including visible date codes on the caps for 69.
viewtopic.php?f=12&t=69487


Asked and answered, counselor.

And for the record, there were thousands of silverface drip-edge amps built and shipped from Fullerton before 1 January 1968.

Never say "never" when the subject is the history of Fender amps.

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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:30 pm
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Here's a fine specimen of an original '69 Bassman head fitted with drip-edge trim......

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Late-60 ... 4abb3759ed

The face plate has no black lines, the knobs are not the "snowman" type, the grill cloth weave is comprised of silver, white, and metallic turquoise filaments, and the EIA code on the tranny clearly indicates that the component was manufactured in the 13th week of 1969.

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