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Post subject: Deluxe Reverb questions
Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 9:04 am
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Are these amps good for loud gigs? I'v been doing quite a few gigs lately and I want to give the elbow to my hot rod deluxe because I'd much, much prefer a blackface re-issue. (Of any kind really..).

Also what I'v noticed on low out-put amps is some pedals seem to 'over power' the amp. I use some beltin' pedals too. (Arbiter Fuzz Face, Tube Screamer and Vox Wah most of the time).

You didn't have to read that top bit. Basically, all I want to know is if these amps are loud enough for loud gigs?


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You would have to try it out if you can to see if it works for your situation. The DRRI has more "cut" than a HRDlx. Which means it cuts through the mix better. I know, my HRDlx got buried under a DRRI. 40 watts is not twice as loud as 22. You can always mic your amp or run an extension cabinet too.

I'm dumping my HRDlx first chance I get for a 20 watt amp.
I do have a 76 SF Twin for the bigger stuff. A Twin could be an option if you use pedals for distortion just because the Twin is so clean. My HRDlx just can't hold up to heavy gigging without problems.


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Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 11:15 am
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You would have to try it out if you can to see if it works for your situation. The DRRI has more "cut" than a HRDlx. Which means it cuts through the mix better. I know, my HRDlx got buried under a DRRI. 40 watts is not twice as loud as 22. You can always mic your amp or run an extension cabinet too.

I'm dumping my HRDlx first chance I get for a 20 watt amp.
I do have a 76 SF Twin for the bigger stuff. A Twin could be an option if you use pedals for distortion just because the Twin is so clean. My HRDlx just can't hold up to heavy gigging without problems.
I don't understand wattage that much. So the 22 watt deluxe reverb is louder than the 40 watt hot rod deluxe?


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Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 12:51 pm
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It cuts better more than likely due to a more efficient, and higher quality speaker and a better amp design. My HRDlx gets lost in the mix a lot. Some of the people I play with use DRRI's, Bassman's and Vox AC30's. One time I couldn't get over a Marshall 18 watter. My amp is a joke compared to them so I'm back to lugging around my Twin.


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Post subject: Re: Deluxe Reverb questions
Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 1:01 am
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I've had DRRI for years now and I've played in many different sized places with it. The biggest volume I've had is around "5" / "10", which is a level that the amps power amp starts to break (and sound really good at least with a strat with Lindy Fralins). At "5" it's already really loud.

I also had HRDx before DRRI and I just didn't like the thing I always had to use maximum volume of 3 or something. No hopes to find that sweet spot on gigs. I even installed Eminence Texas Heat in it to improve sound. Well the sound improved very much but finally I ended up selling it and getting a DRRI. It just has a lot better sound and feel and I like the idea of having just a GOOD clean channel where I can add some gritt with pedals. And because it's 22 watt, you can crank it and get sound of the tubes out more easily.

I think when you're playing on big stages, amps are usually always miked and monitors are used. So I don't think you're gonna need a really big amp for that. Only if you have a REALLY LOUD drummer, DRRI may have problems to cut through. I haven't had such problems and I've played with very loud drummers.

Important thing is also that the speaker has a big effect in how loud the amp seems and how well it handles f.e. OD or distortion effects. And many players (including me) do the "bright cap mod" for the vibrato channel to make it cope with OD units better.


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Post subject: Re: Deluxe Reverb questions
Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 1:11 am
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peteh83 wrote:
And many players (including me) do the "bright cap mod" for the vibrato channel to make it cope with OD units better.


The "Fritz Mod" is also a useful alteration.

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Post subject: Re: Deluxe Reverb questions
Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:59 am
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You doing lead riffs? I kinda think a DRRI maybe a tad weak. Unless you load some really efficient speaker into it. Maybe look at the Super Reverb RI or for even louder gigs the Twin Reverb RI.

6V6GT driven amps kinda compress a bit earlier than 6L6GC amps. Playing my stock Matchless 30 watt Chieftain (running dual EL34's & two Celestion Vintage 30's) in a garage with a friend's hot-rodded DRRI (better tubes, better speaker, all new Sprague atom caps)... the Matchless tended to overwhelm the Fender. Just my observation.


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Post subject: Re: Deluxe Reverb questions
Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:20 am
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I dunno about that......

I routinely play mine at jams against guys using SRRI's, CVR's, AC30TB's, HRDvl's, even a Marshall 2 x 12 Bluesbreaker. I've never been "smoked off a stage" regardless of how rowdy things got. In the interests of full disclosure, my DRRI now "breathes" through a fifteen-inch JBL. But it remains otherwise a standard 22-watt platform.

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Post subject: Re: Deluxe Reverb questions
Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:16 pm
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I've used DRs for many years and the damn things sing...everytime somebody comes up and remarks about "that tone".....but then there's a lot of technique that goes into that singing sustain,lots of guys don't get their vibrato down and can't keep that note going strong,other things like placement of the amp on where you want to project the sound and how close you stand next to it and at what angle.
You have to put the whole package together,great guitar with great pickups,and you have to be able to get the right amp,then comes years of practice,lots more than just "doing lead riffs"....simple things like pick attack can deaden that sustain at times,...you hit it hard on the front end of the note and you'll see less sustain,get a softer front end and that note can really bloom if the amp is up and running strong,and that's not even using pedals.
Lots more than just volume in a garage... no offense BMW2002Ti. :mrgreen:


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Post subject: Re: Deluxe Reverb questions
Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:43 pm
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Are these amps good for loud gigs? I'v been doing quite a few gigs lately and I want to give the elbow to my hot rod deluxe because I'd much, much prefer a blackface re-issue. (Of any kind really..)....
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No. The DRRI is not a loud enough amp for loud gigs. It's got a reasonable volume for reasonable gigs but it's not enough for loud gigs. You'll want 50 to 60 watts for a fairly loud gig and 100 watts for a damned loud gig. The TRRI fits the bill as does the HRDV but it's not a BFRI. The SRRI may also work for you as would the VibroKing. The VK is better than any BFRI IMO. It may well be the best amp Fender ever made, period and I've had my share of Fenders over the years. The VK along with the VK 212 ext cab would be ballsy enough for pretty much anything except the loudest of possible gigs but you'd be looking at a pretty good chunk of coin. Well worth it IMO but not everyone agrees with me. Having used one I now aim to own one one day. For a very clean Fender bell-like tone and freakishly loud you might try to find a used Dual Professional. It had truly prodigious power and sounded like the absolute sweetest Twin Reverb (clean) ever made. The DP was last seen in 2001 I believe. Also in that era was the Tone Master which was just as powerful as the DP but also had some great crunchy tones. Those were all very expensive amps but they will not dissappoint if you can find one.

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Post subject: Re: Deluxe Reverb questions
Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:50 pm
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Rebelsoul wrote:
I've used DRs for many years and the damn things sing...everytime somebody comes up and remarks about "that tone".....but then there's a lot of technique that goes into that singing sustain,lots of guys don't get their vibrato down and can't keep that note going strong,other things like placement of the amp on where you want to project the sound and how close you stand next to it and at what angle.
You have to put the whole package together,great guitar with great pickups,and you have to be able to get the right amp,then comes years of practice,lots more than just "doing lead riffs"....simple things like pick attack can deaden that sustain at times,...you hit it hard on the front end of the note and you'll see less sustain,get a softer front end and that note can really bloom if the amp is up and running strong,and that's not even using pedals.
Lots more than just volume in a garage... no offense BMW2002Ti. :mrgreen:


+1000

I spent decades convinced that I needed an 85-watt TR to assuage my fears about being "out-gunned" at a gig. But lately, and with increasing regularity, I find comfort and satisfaction with the smaller combos -- either a DRRI or my '64 Pro Amp. Not that I'm in any ball-crushing rush to unload my "heavy metal", mind you (I'm still waiting on that invitational phone call from Bill Graham to come light up the Fillmore).

:mrgreen:

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Post subject: Re: Deluxe Reverb questions
Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:43 am
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Hey Arjay...if Bill Graham calls don't pick up the phone. :lol: :lol:


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Post subject: Re: Deluxe Reverb questions
Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:56 pm
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Rebelsoul wrote:
Hey Arjay...if Bill Graham calls don't pick up the phone. :lol: :lol:


Especially if I hear the Twilight Zone theme song in the background......

:mrgreen:

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Post subject: Re: Deluxe Reverb questions
Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 9:13 pm
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: you make me laugh man,you're as crazy as I am,Arjay.


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Post subject: Re: Deluxe Reverb questions
Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 9:53 pm
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Rebelsoul wrote:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: you make me laugh man,you're as crazy as I am,Arjay.


It's all that Agent Orange I snorted back in the '60s......

:mrgreen:

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