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Post subject: Drip Edge Bronco
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:45 am
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Nice little Bronco on Ebay, if anybody is looking for one.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1968-Fender-Bronco-Tube-Amp/283588433478?_trkparms=aid%3D777001%26algo%3DDISCO.FEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160801204525%26meid%3D6b8878cb9cd349d5b8db876a66158708%26pid%3D100651%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26itm%3D283588433478%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2481888&_trksid=p2481888.c100651.m4497&_trkparms=pageci%3Ae0f0195b-c8e8-11e9-895b-74dbd18080eb%7Cparentrq%3Ad3eff58216c0a4d0c50955daffe480c3%7Ciid%3A1


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Post subject: Re: Drip Edge Bronco
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:59 am
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I've never had much luck "bidding" on eBay. I like the "make offer" & "buy it now" options, because I've ended up with some decent deals. But bidding doesn't ever seem to work for me, because there are different situations based on area (i.e.- availability of product in one area versus another and/or cost of living, etc...)---just too many variables that tend to drive the bid up over the value of that particular product in MY area. If that makes sense.
I've never won a bid, because there are ALWAYS gonna be people in other areas of the country willing to pay more for an item than it's going for in my area.
It happened with a USED Fender Pro Junior when I was looking to buy. The 'winner' of the "slightly used" Pro Junior I was bidding on, ended up paying $10 OVER new Musicians Friend price PLUS shipping....how stupid is that?!? I just ended up buying new.

That being said; that does look like a pretty cool amp. First I'm seeing one; so I wouldn't even know where to start putting a value on it without some research. Something like that could be worth $1,000 to a collector that has expendable cash...or already over priced for others that don't, at the current bid of $280.

Not to mention; of the 10 current bids, the person that started the bidding at $200 was bid against right away by two other people, then raised his own bid three times without being bid against with over 20 hours (currently) left to bid---what is that about?


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Post subject: Re: Drip Edge Bronco
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:11 am
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Yeah, bidding is a relative process. I always make a determination of what my best bid would be and then place a higher bid than current and add my highest amount willing to pay. If I'm outbid, it's not an issue for me. I have bid last second many times trying to win an item and it can get pretty testy, thinking you won and finding someone else beat you. My last winning bid was for a pair of JAN Sylvania 12at7 wb/wc tubes from the 70's, less than $10 delivered.
I think the only thing w/ the amp is the speaker is probably not original. I track some sales just to keep up w/ current pricing. My guess is this goes for around $450-550 range, at $280 it's a steal,imo. To a collector trying to acquire all the drip edge models for instance, bidding could get expensive.
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Post subject: Re: Drip Edge Bronco
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:48 am
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The Bronco is functionally and dimensionally equivalent to the Vibro Champ -- the only difference is cosmetic, specifically the front panel and the tube chart (in fact, early Bronco's were shipped with a VC tube chart). Thus, bid as if the amp were a drip-edge silverface Vibro Champ. The value would be somewhat less than a blackface edition but more than a '70s silverface specimen.

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Post subject: Re: Drip Edge Bronco
Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:59 am
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Winning bid was $382.00 plus $42.00 shipping. And it went to an a**h*** that wasn't even bidding...just swooped in last second and scooped it up. THAT'S why I hate eBay.
No; I didn't have a 'dog in the fight'...it's just how I am.


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Post subject: Re: Drip Edge Bronco
Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:07 am
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Its a great little amp for $425, someone got a pretty decent deal.
White Dog, I know what your saying. But a bid is a bid and when the clock hits 0 on your screen it may not hit 0 on someone else's. Computer internet lag, latency is real. To some that last 30 seconds is exhilarating and is what keeps them bidding.


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Post subject: Re: Drip Edge Bronco
Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:29 am
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White Dog wrote:
Winning bid was $382.00 plus $42.00 shipping. And it went to an a**h*** that wasn't even bidding...just swooped in last second and scooped it up. THAT'S why I hate eBay.
No; I didn't have a 'dog in the fight'...it's just how I am.


So somebody else who knows how to play the Ebay game wins the auction due to a superior bidding strategy and he's the "alpha hotel"?

Methinks you have a lot to learn.

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Post subject: Re: Drip Edge Bronco
Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:16 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
White Dog wrote:
Winning bid was $382.00 plus $42.00 shipping. And it went to an a**h*** that wasn't even bidding...just swooped in last second and scooped it up. THAT'S why I hate eBay.
No; I didn't have a 'dog in the fight'...it's just how I am.


So somebody else who knows how to play the Ebay game wins the auction due to a superior bidding strategy and he's the "alpha hotel"?

Methinks you have a lot to learn.

:roll:
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This.
It's been that way since the beginning.
To me, the Alpha Hotels are the guys that log in every couple of hours and bump their bid so they remain on top. All they do is guarantee that the seller gets max price....
I log in 3 days early and enter a bid of $600, but it shows as $150 (reserve).
Tommy logs in and bids $175... that automatically pushes my bid to $180.
Tommy gets frustrated and stops at $200.
Joey logs in and bids $250... that automatically pushes my bid to $$275.
Joey gets frustrated and stops at $350.
Now the auction starts drawing to a close, and the snipers see it sitting at $350. They generally won't snipe TOO high over the current bid, but they'll go a fair amount, hoping to snag it.
So not many are going to bid over $600 if it's sitting at $350... but enough will big $500 that I'm going to end up paying $550 for it, while it would have gone for $250 had the Alpha Hotels not run the price up early on.

Don't "walk" your bid up.
Bid the max that you are willing to pay.
Don't bid low hoping to get it low... especially not 3 days before the auction closes, because that almost guarantees that you won't get it.

Bid high
Bid once
Bid late

If it was meant to be yours at that price, it will be.
But if you see my ID, don't bother, because if I really want it, my sniper bid will be at or above market. :twisted:

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Post subject: Re: Drip Edge Bronco
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 4:45 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
So somebody else who knows how to play the Ebay game wins the auction due to a superior bidding strategy and he's the "alpha hotel"?

Me thinks you have a lot to learn.
:roll:
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No reason to "roll your eyes" at me there Arjay...I don't feel I have anything to learn on the subject because I don't bid. I don't "play the game". Other than the bid on the Used Pro Junior a couple years ago, I don't get involved. That ONE time bidding was enough for me to see how despicable and some times stupid people are. After that auction, I ended up with a brand spanking new Pro Junior for about $70 less than the fool who won the Used one. Who deserves to have eye's rolled on them, me or that winner whom supposedly knows how to play the game?

I make offers when that's an option, and/or buy it now if I feel the price (plus shipping) is worth it to me---that's it.


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Post subject: Re: Drip Edge Bronco
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 7:33 am
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You did well in that instance, no dispute there. And I've seen those same scenarios play out where the bidding breaks down into an out-and-out weenie wagging contest. The trick to avoiding such pitfalls is to recognize the signs early on and unass before the situation becomes problematic. Bidding is similar to playing poker -- know when to hold and when to fold. I think I've won about forty or fifty percent of the bids I've tendered and I don't lose any sleep over those auctions I didn't win.

For the record, I think I paid about $425 (+20 S&H) for a Bronco about six or seven years ago so the final price for the amp in that auction was not out of line for such an artifact. Mine was in much better cosmetic shape though.

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Post subject: Re: Drip Edge Bronco
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 9:01 am
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I hate eBay, because of shill bidding. You put that $600 (way over the real worth of the amp). And sure enough $600 wins the bid... by increments, to the very end of the bid. It's the seller using another person or shill to keep upping the bid, at tiny increments --- until he guesses what you entered as your original bid. Then, stops just before that amount.

I try to research going rate (esp for tubes), then find what seems to be an honest seller, placing a BIN amount and buy outright. You don't save as much as an honest auction, but don't have the anxiety of overbidding to win an item.

https://community.ebay.com/t5/Archive-B ... -p/2885957


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Post subject: Re: Drip Edge Bronco
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 12:13 pm
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Ya, it's been many years since I actually "bid" on anything. 99% of my eBay purchases (which are very rare, maybe one or two/year) are BIN.
eBay used to be decent, but over the last 10 years, most of what's there is no cheaper than Amazon or it's cheap Chinese junk (plenty of that on Amazon as well)... at least you are less likely to get a counterfeit from Amazon, and you won't wait a month for it to show up.

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Post subject: Re: Drip Edge Bronco
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 6:42 am
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CB91710 wrote:
eBay used to be decent, but over the last 10 years, most of what's there is no cheaper than Amazon or it's cheap Chinese junk (plenty of that on Amazon as well)... at least you are less likely to get a counterfeit from Amazon, and you won't wait a month for it to show up.
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You got that right Rich! Embarrassed to admit, there are SOME instances that I'm willing to wait on a product (very few and far between however); latest was a digital calipers out of China for $2.00.
But having been in the trucking industry for more than a quarter century, I understand the process.

Order
Process order
Pick order
Package order
Local pick-up
Process by shipper
Sort by shipper
Put on proper container
Put container on ship
Ship crosses the ocean
Unload container in US port (probably San Francisco or Seattle)
Send container to a processing center
Unload product and cross-dock to "regional containers"
Ship container by land to USPS, UPS, FedEx etc...cross dock
Separate product and put on 'line-haul' trucks to next region
Trucks move to next region
Cross-dock products to local trucks
Local trucks deliver to receiving address

Or something like that. LOL....yah, it takes time, and you definitely take your chances with quality, and/or if it's even gonna be the right product---because at $2.00 and 6 weeks waiting, if it's junk or wrong you certainly are not going through the hassle of returning it.


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Post subject: Re: Drip Edge Bronco
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 7:10 am
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I use both still, much less of an Amazon shopper. I had significant issues as a prime member w/ CC fraud.
The vintage market is predominately Ebay, Craigslist, niche retailers w/ online stores. So unless you're buying new there isn't a lot available. With anything these days you have to compare and buy/bid smart.


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