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The Unofficial Fender Forum Member FSR Bass Process Interest Poll!
Poll ended at Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:18 pm
YES! Count me in as a Forum Member FSR Bass selection process participant for now! 63%  63%  [ 15 ]
YES! I'm interested in the selection process for BOTH the Forum Member FSR Bass & Forum Member FSR Guitar! 21%  21%  [ 5 ]
NO! I'm probably buying the Forum Member FSR Guitar instead of the Bass! 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
NO! I want no part of either. I have too many basses/guitars already! 17%  17%  [ 4 ]
Total votes : 24
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Post subject: Fender Forum Member FSR Bass Process Interest Poll!
Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:18 pm
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This poll is merely to check on your interest in a Bass Forum Member Fender Special Run (FSR) Bass selection process.

Recently the idea came up in the Fender Lounge for a FSR GUITAR just for Forum members. Brad T has posted that he found the idea of a special run of guitars for Forumites somewhat intriguing which sounds as if that just might happen if they get enough participants to actually commit to the final model. I posted that perhaps there should also be a FSR Bass for Forum members, but I don't think many bassists cruise the lounge as much as the bass forums and the Forum FSR Bass idea isn't gathering as much steam as the FSR Guitar idea.

The general train of thought among the strummers is to let forum members vote on the specific model (Tele vs. Strat) and then vote on features with majority rule determining the official Forum FSR Guitar specs. I think Fender Forum bassist members could do the same.

So, the first thing to do is to see how many members of the bass forum would be interested in participating in this process. I think we need 150 firm commitments after the model and all the features are set before the run would be a go, or at least in that ballpark.

So just vote yay or nay on your interest for now. You may only vote once. Naturally some people will lose interest if a subsequent vote doesn't go the way they like. For example if it turns out to be a Jazz and you are exclusively a Precision player then you are not obligating yourself to buy one by voting YES now. This poll is just checking for interest among bass forum member in such a voting selection process and whether you might actually buy one if it comes out to suit you. Only after the complete specification sheet is done and the price determined would you even be able to obligate yourself.


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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 12:49 am
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Great call Dave. I am all for our deep voices to be heard.
(I did vote)

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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:13 am
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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 7:24 am
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Definitely interested. It might be cool to see what type of Frankenstein we end up with.

Will we be able to vote on every feature? Could we end up with something as out there as a slab body J bass with a P neck, and dual 70's Telebass humbuckers with a three position switch and dual volume/tone set up?

Crazy things like that would totally make this process worth it! Either way, I'm in. I gotta figure if this does go forward it'd be a looooonnnngggg way off. Plenty of time for me to get my Classic 70's P and free up money for a Lounge Bass. (Which by the way, is the coolest name for any instrument I've heard) It sounds smooooooootttthhhhh, baby!

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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:04 am
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I too like LOUNGE BASS as the name for it.

I don't see why members can't vote on every aspect from wood selection down to stainless or nickle pickguard screws. The problem is that the more exotic and electronically complex it becomes then the more it will cost and as a result fewer members could actually afford one and the project dies on the vine. We could dream up a wonderful bass, but it 150 people can't afford it then nobody gets one.

Might be better to keep it simple starting with a standard MIM model with some unique refinements such as a unique guard color and unique body color for example. They do nitro at Ensenada too. Fender stamped tuners are popular and are not on the Standard otherwise, so those would be real nice touches, but each adds cost. So is the vintage threaded saddle bridge and it is a little thing cost wise. Little things like that won't run up the cost a lot but each one will cost extra for every little change from a stock Standard. Start throwing in switches and custom wiring arrangements and you quickly are out of the realm of affordability. I can see the Jazz neck on a Precision body pleasing a lot of folks and vice-verse might work too as either won't really add much material cost.

It would be much less costly to change the bridge or tuners/pickups/body color/paint type/pickguard than to totally Frankenstein the specs into an entirely new instrument. Still you can expect every little change from a stock bass adds extra cost. So if enough interest exists there could certainly be a unique Lounge Bass, but probably if it is to actually get made it needs to be affordable to all interested members too as otherwise we won't have enough commitments.

There would probably be more orders for something closer to the price of a MIM Standard than an American Standard or even American Special. With a few judicious mods using parts Fender is already using on other models and/or a unique paint color or just a different pickguard color otherwise not available on the Standard you can keep it affordable but make it uniquely the Lounge Bass.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Forum Member FSR Bass Process Interest Poll!
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dupe post. oops!


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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:21 am
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brotherdave wrote:
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:arrow: Put My Order In For A Lefty Please, Brother Dave! :mrgreen:


That is a very good point. Making a left-handed one available would restrict us to the Jazz Standard since they are not cutting lefty Standard P-Basses anymore.


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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:44 am
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brotherdave wrote:
I too like LOUNGE BASS as the name for it.

I don't see why members can't vote on every aspect from wood selection down to stainless or nickle pickguard screws. The problem is that the more exotic and electronically complex it becomes then the more it will cost and as a result fewer members could actually afford one and the project dies on the vine. We could dream up a wonderful bass, but it 150 people can't afford it then nobody gets one.

Might be better to keep it simple starting with a standard MIM model with some unique refinements such as a unique guard color and unique body color for example. They do nitro at Ensenada too. Fender stamped tuners are popular and are not on the Standard otherwise, so those would be real nice touches, but each adds cost. So is the vintage threaded saddle bridge and it is a little thing cost wise. Little things like that won't run up the cost a lot but each one will cost extra for every little change from a stock Standard. Start throwing in switches and custom wiring arrangements and you quickly are out of the realm of affordability. I can see the Jazz neck on a Precision body pleasing a lot of folks and vice-verse might work too as either won't really add much material cost.

It would be much less costly to change the bridge or tuners/pickups/body color/paint type/pickguard than to totally Frankenstein the specs into an entirely new instrument. Still you can expect every little change from a stock bass adds extra cost. So if enough interest exists there could certainly be a unique Lounge Bass, but probably if it is to actually get made it needs to be affordable to all interested members too as otherwise we won't have enough commitments.

There would probably be more orders for something closer to the price of a MIM Standard than an American Standard or even American Special. With a few judicious mods using parts Fender is already using on other models and/or a unique paint color or just a different pickguard color otherwise not available on the Standard you can keep it affordable but make it uniquely the Lounge Bass.



Indeed. Which is why in my original comment in the Lounge Guitar thread I talked about an "Ensenada build sheet". Much like the CS one. Just a list of production features available on Fender Ensenada Instruments. Sure the switches were overboard, but think of all the basses that Ensenada rolls off. If were were to seriously vote on each feature from the available features they make we could literally get a ridiculous amount of combinations. Then start adding in things like slab bodies (which require less labor, instead of more) or forearm or body contours only. The list becomes staggering. Ensenada makes the Blacktop basses. So while we may not be able to get those 70's buckers it is certainly within the realm of possiblity to get things like...


A slab body J, with a 70's P neck, and the Blacktop Buckers and tone circuit out of a black top P, with any of the cool finishes that the Ensenada plant offers.

or...

A slab body P with forearm contour with the dual P pups, or the Deluxe P's P/J tone circuit with a Geddy Lee neck, in any number of finish options.

or...


well, you get the point. I agree that custom tone circuits are a bit much, but Ensenada puts out a pretty diverse line of circuits already, and let's face it. It's not like they couldn't just ship a case of Tony Franklin tone circuits and pickguards down for them to use. Though that would obviously raise the cost.

I don't see this instrument needing to be out of the price range of a Classic or Roadworn series instrument. In manufacturing terms it would be an "exotic". Fender already has processes in place for these types of runs. As long as the features are already in house they would just run it like they would any other FSR. What do those usually run? An extra 3 bills? 7-800 bucks for an FSR Fender Lounge Bass isn't unreasonable in my eyes. It's what most of the FSR models go for.

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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:52 am
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Here see examples of affordable FSR's:

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Ash body in natural with brown faux tortoise guard is the Musicans Friend FSR which they are selling right now for $450.

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That one is P-Bass Special available from only one dealer in the UK for $1070. There however a stock P-Bass Special costs the same thing!

That's just a couple of examples. I like the idea of a FSR P-Bass Special myself. I like the instrument basically except for the pickup and body color choices.


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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 1:10 pm
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brotherdave wrote:
Here see examples of affordable FSR's:

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Ash body in natural with brown faux tortoise guard is the Musicans Friend FSR which they are selling right now for $450.

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That one is P-Bass Special available from only one dealer in the UK for $1070. There however a stock P-Bass Special costs the same thing!

That's just a couple of examples. I like the idea of a FSR P-Bass Special myself. I like the instrument basically except for the pickup and body color choices.



Affordable basses are easily attainable. It just come down to how many options you are putting in. I don't think we really want the "lounge bass" to be a simple neckswap do we? Something like that is easily doable on ebay.

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Affordable basses are easily attainable. It just come down to how many options you are putting in. I don't think we really want the "lounge bass" to be a simple neckswap do we? Something like that is easily doable on ebay.


I think you missed something in my earlier posts. Yes we can change standard specs, not just swap necks. Just know that lots of what we can change isn't going to be free.


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Lounge Series decal like the Deluxe Series decal on headstop tip? That would be swell.


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I vote for a Precision Bass(Ash body) with an additional J pickup, two volumes(no tone knob)..with a Jazz neck(rosewood fingerboard)..frontal input jack. It wouldn't look any different than a regular Fender. Maybe ask Brotherdave about what pots to use and such.

I'd want it to be made in Mexico with the Standard MIM hardware. Bold thing to say, but this bass wouldn't stay private to Lounge members for very long.


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brotherdave wrote:
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Affordable basses are easily attainable. It just come down to how many options you are putting in. I don't think we really want the "lounge bass" to be a simple neckswap do we? Something like that is easily doable on ebay.


I think you missed something in my earlier posts. Yes we can change standard specs, not just swap necks. Just know that lots of what we can change isn't going to be free.



Oh I got that part. I guess what I'm saying is that while it's great to want to keep cost down to make it appealing to more people. However, let's face it. One of those basses has a body, finish and guard upgrade. The other is a production model in a custom color for that model (though a color that the plant uses regularly) with a neckswap. While the basses wouldn't be much more then a standard, they also aren't much more appealing.

I'm just saying I'd hope we'd be able to come up with something more unique and appealing then one of those above basses. No offense, I wouldn't spend 400 bucks on either of those. The P/J has a nice neck, but that's about it. I think a better idea might be to start with the "build sheet" and list each part and have a vote on the first one. Start with something simple like body shape. P, J, Jag, ect. Then vote on the options for the body. Contours, yes or no? Strap buttons or locks? Bridge? Pick ups? Knobs? Then get to the neck... and so on. Perhaps a case or atleast deluxe gigbag with the lounge logo?

I think this type of progression would lead us to a pretty interesting bass. This would be a chance for people to build something cool. Something you'll likely never see again. I'd hope as a community we could, and would want to do something better. Honestly, even though I only play P basses if the bass that got cooked up was interesting and unique enough I'd get it just to own one.

Let's really look at what one of those basses might cost Fender.


Say we take a J body.

No contours.


Blacktop Buckers


Put on a BAII


Paint it up in CAR.

B/W/B guard with bass side thumbrest

Classic 70's P neck.


Now. Not asking what they'd charge. What do we REALLY think the upcharges would be on that? The routes are stock. Pups and tone circuit is stock. The slab is simply a matter of NOT adding labor. The bridge is an upgrade, but one that is done on the production line in the factory already. The paint and guard are stock colors. Neck is a stock neck. That's a bass that would require nothing special or out of the ordinary but would definitely be a bass that is unique.

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