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Post subject: EFeender Squier Jazz Bass MIM
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 6:05 pm
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I saw info on these "90's bass some time back but can't find anything now. Anyway I have a friend who is going to sell his Black, Fender, Squier Series (at the end of th headstock), Jazz Bass MIM. Are they essentially MIM Fenders that were built in Mexico while the Fender factory was down? What do you think is a fair price? I looked in ebay, etc and see asking prices from $110. -- $300.00.

If you can point me to answers, that would be great

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Post subject: Re: EFeender Squier Jazz Bass MIM
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:19 am
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The Fender Squier Series made in Mexico instruments are full blown Fenders. They have Fender serials and were sold with a Fender warranty. The ARE Fenders. Budget Fenders, but Fenders none the less.

Today Fender offers two MIM series, the Standards and the Deluxes with the Deluxes usually being active or having some other redeeming feature. However in the mid 1990's for a couple of years Fender Ensenada produced three levels of Fender branded instruments. These levels were Standard Series on the high end, Traditional Series in the middle and Squier Series on the low end. The street price difference between the three levels was considerable at the time. The Standard series got a traditional bi-color Fender headstock decal while the Traditional and Squier Series both got solid black Fender logos that appear to be silk screened. The Squier Series got a "Squier Series" decal on the peghead where today you see a "Deluxe Series" decal. (Many people figured out ways to remove this "Squier Series" lettering.) The Squier Series MIM Fenders are Fenders, but budget ones. February 11th, 1994 the first Fender Ensenada plant burned completely after an electrical fire started in the finishing department. When Fender reopened the new Ensenada plant barely 100 days later it was twice as big as the old plant and they had room to do more things, like making 3 levels of Strats, Teles, P's and J's.

Where the confusion comes in is understandable since Squier became it's own brand in North America later. The MIM Fender Squier Series are Fenders. There were also Fender "Squier Series" guitars being made by Fender Japan in Japan but they were switched to a Squier brand decal after about one year. They started the Japanese Fender Squier Series in 1982, which was in advance of the Fender Mexican Squier Series Instruments by about 3 years. The Japanese made ones were only sold in Japan and limited European markets. Squiers from Fender Japan were so well received that after a couple of years Fender launched the Squier brand in their USA and Canada territory. The Squier brand didn't launch in North America until after the MIM Fender Squier Series was over.

Those who don't know what they are talking about call the Mexican Fender Squier Series instruments Squiers, but they really are Fenders! There were no Squiers being sold in North America at the time they were being marketed. The Squier brand itself came to the USA after the Fender Squier Series had ended, making the Mexican Fender Squier Series the precursor to the Squier brand itself in North America. Still the "Squier Stigma" holds down value on the Fender MIM "Squier Series" so you wouldn't pay much for one. Maybe $100 for me here. But that varies based on location and how much someone else thinks it is worth or how badly you want it. These aren't really collectible yet and probably will never be, but they are better than no Fender. They have lots of room for upgrading.

In the end, you will certainly come out better buying a newer Fender Standard as the wood, hardware and electronics will be better and by the time you do the hardware and electronics upgrades you could have bought a used more recent Standard. Whatever you pay for one would be money better spent on a better instrument. These are more of a curiosity and Fender history footnote than a truly desirable instrument.


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Post subject: Re: EFeender Squier Jazz Bass MIM
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:35 pm
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I don't think this bass will ever be a collectible piece unless someone just wants to have every Fender made....oh yeah, I know a guy like that. The only one I have had in my hands was a terrible build.

Brother Dave's valuation of $100 is solid in Florida, too. You can ask more, but you will notice those on eBay asking more have no bidder action.

I also agree with BD's recommendation against buying.

If you are trying to help your friend sell, local sale/trade would be best. There just is not enough meat on the bone to get into paying eBay fees, PayPal fees and shipping costs. You could even take it to your local big box....maybe he needs a new mixer or something. Guitar Centers and similar can usually find a home for inexpensive equipment, and can even donate it, so your friend may get a fair trade for merchandise.

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Post subject: Re: EFeender Squier Jazz Bass MIM
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:26 pm
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I've always been fascinated by this kind of thing from Fender. American wood assembled in Mexico for a limited low price. They weren't even advertised as such. I can't wait to get mine.

The pickups in these are the main attraction for me.


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Post subject: Re: EFeender Squier Jazz Bass MIM
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:23 pm
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FYI: Japanese made Squires were sold in the USA before any Mexican ones were even conceived. I know because one of my bass students at the time,( in Spring 1982) showed up with a beautiful Squire Precision bass that was a dead on copy of my 1959 Fender Precision. It was the first slab fingerboard that I had seen on any new bass and it was very impressive and he also bought in the Washington D.C area.

Those early Japanese Squires command a very high price (relative to their original sale price) in the right urban markets around the world today, because people who know their stuff, know that they are excellent instruments.

I own five Japanese Squires but i can't say that any are from the first batch from Japan in 1982.

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