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Post subject: Squier Bass By Fender from 89 It is false or not?
Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 5:32 pm
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Hey guys this is my first post in this forum :D , A friend want to give this bass in exchange of a ps3 of 250gb, 2controllers, 3 games(fifa13,god of war origins collectionand resident evil5) plus 45 bucks,I want to see if you guys can help me to see if this bass is original or false and if you think it is a fair change it is suposed to be from 1989 i checked on http://www.fender.com/es-MX/support/...roduct-dating/ i think that the serial is ok, it is supossed to be from the HM series (Heavy Metal, i believe) of the late 80s, the headstock looks more like a ibanez that a squier but i dont really know, i hope you guys can help to know what model, year, etc or at least to know if it is original and the prize of it :?: :| . Thank you all!
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Post subject: Re: Squier Bass By Fender from 89 It is false or not?
Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 5:50 pm
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I would say it's not fake. Not sure of the price. Is there anyone who you can have check out the bass? Just off the top of my head I would guess a price at around $300 maybe a little more. Look it up and see if there are any for sale on ebay or just do a general search on the web.


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Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:15 pm
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It's worth $45-50. Take it.

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Post subject: Re: Squier Bass By Fender from 89 It is false or not?
Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:24 pm
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stroker vance wrote:
I would say it's not fake. Not sure of the price. Is there anyone who you can have check out the bass? Just off the top of my head I would guess a price at around $300 maybe a little more. Look it up and see if there are any for sale on ebay or just do a general search on the web.

I've tried, i already try asking in other forums thats how i think i know it is from the hm series of the 80s but beside that i have no clue, Thanks bu the way


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Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 1:19 pm
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There is no economic incentive to fake a Squire bass. It is part of the HM series that soon became Heartfield basses and were even endorsed by Steve Bailey for a while.

It appears to be a compact P-J bass and it probably sounds pretty good.
I would play it.

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Post subject: Re: Squier Bass By Fender from 89 It is false or not?
Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 11:28 pm
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There were three plants in Korea that made Squiers from 87 through early 94. Both the Young Chang and Sung-Eum plants made the "E" series Squiers like yours. Simultaneously Samick was making "S" series Squiers which were the premium ones. Yours would be either Young Chang or Sung-Eum made due the "E" serial. Yours is from the last model year of the "E" series which was 1993/1994.

Starting in 1990 Squier started ordering some from Cor-Tech (Cort) which got "C" serials, along with "V" serials which were used on issues from both the Saehan and Sunghan plants while the "E" series makers continued also. So for this one brief period 6 different plants were making Squiers in Korea which is very remarkable.

In 1994 Squier stopped ordering from Samick, Young Chang & Sung-Eum entirely so that was the end of the "C" and "E" serials and Squier was down to 3 producers in Korea.

In 1997 Squier stopped ordering from both Sunghan and Saehan leaving Cor-Tech (Cort) as the exclusive Korean production contractor for Squier as they moved production on lesser models into other Asian markets. Cort is one of the premier makers in all of Asia and their stuff rivals Fugi-Gen, Dyna, Tokai or any Japanese plant.

During this entire period all of the E, S, C & V serials are decent with the S and C models usually being the most expensive in resale as used since these are the top two mass production guitar plants quality wise in Korea. Cort (Cor-Tech Korea) is especially well respected and Samick is noted for making some excellent instruments during this period also. In the opinion of many techs the C and S series Squiers were actually as good if not better than Fender Mexico instruments of the same period. Both Cort and Samick marketed their own brands too. Both now have plants in other countries like Indonesia so they are international in scope and still real forces in worldwide guitar production today.

As to value, these so rarely come up for sale and the prices are so low that hardly anyone keeps track of this specific model which means you can expect a wide swing since they are "under the radar" models. Maybe $100 to $200 USD around here (Southeastern USA) depending on condition. A dealer would probably offer you $50 to $75 for it if they offered to buy it at all, which many wouldn't. More Squiers, especially Korean ones, are sold or traded in private transactions or on eBay than by dealers who tend to favor the Japanese Squiers.

Similar Ibanez TR series instruments of the same era sell for about that same thing and they were all made in Korea at Cort at the time. In a sale from a brick & mortar dealer I would not expect this Squier to bring more than $200 under any circumstance around here, $150 would be more fair to the buyer even in 9 out of 10 shape. Basing that guess on one in excellent condition of course. I would not touch one in less than 8 out of 10 shape. They are passive with your typical Korean electronics of the day on par with the passive stuff Ibanez was selling, all of which is sort of blah performance wise. It is what it is and I would NOT invest in upgrades on these. They make good starters or beaters for outdoor gigs or a backup, are easy to setup, intonate well and play exceptionally well. In short a bargain for a backup or beater on the low end of the cost scale. The higher end Cort made Ibanez basses (SR & SRX series) are some of the best Asian basses ever made apart from the Fujigen made Heartfield line but will sell for twice or three times what this Squier model does.

There were also some early "M" series Squier guitars (Strats & Teles) made in Korea, I don't know much about them except that some of the "M" serials had thinner than usual plywood bodies instead of solid wood block blanks. Actually even though I have only seen a couple of them I can say for certain that "M" series Squiers are probably the least desirable ones. The couple I've seen were dreadful and dead sounding. I don't know who made them but hope they are out of business.

I was not previously aware that this Squier model had any connection whatsoever to the Heartfield models produced at Fujigen. I'll have to do research on that. I was under the impression that Heartfield was a totally independent project at Fujigen designed by a new team including people from Fender, Fujigen and some outsiders brought in by FMIC from Yamaha and Ibanez which started with a blank slate under FMIC. So far as I knew before this thread, there was no connection between this model and any Heartfield model. Very intriguing though. I see few similarities between this model and any Heartfield. I'd like to know more about how this Squier model connects to any Heartfield model.


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Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 7:46 am
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What I have learned: I have two Ibanez SR500s that I purchased to use for outdoor gigs when I first moved to Florida. (Afraid of salt air on my Fenders at the time) Both are very nice basses for the price. I had no idea they were made in Korea, always thought Japan, but not being Fenders, I really never looked into it.

What I would like to learn more about: I know the HM was made both in USA and Japan. Mine was a USA bass. Didn't know that morphed into Heartfield. Not a real fan of the HM but enjoy both the DR and Prophecy lines from Heartfield.

I would enjoy hearing more about how both the HM and this Squire fit in with Heartfield. I always thought Heartfield started on its own with support and creativity from Fender. That it was there to allow Fender to stretch its wings into other design and performance arenas. Interesting subject. Maybe future topic?

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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 2:16 pm
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I remember seeing those basses in music stores back in the day. I guess Fender was on the pointy headstock, hair-a-must (a typical musician ad statement for crappy hair metal bands in suburban hell of the time period :P) bandwagon like everyone else was for the time. Ah, memories... :lol: :P

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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 1:40 pm
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Brother Dave's pricing is probably spot on for that bass. Sorry but a free bass is better than one that costs $150. If a bass is only worth $150---then it should be free...."Here-- ,please have this bass".


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Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 6:11 pm
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affprod wrote:
What I have learned: I have two Ibanez SR500s that I purchased to use for outdoor gigs when I first moved to Florida. (Afraid of salt air on my Fenders at the time) Both are very nice basses for the price. I had no idea they were made in Korea, always thought Japan, but not being Fenders, I really never looked into it.


All of the Ibanez TRB models & most SRX models plus many SR models were made by Cort Korea for a while except the low end models like the SRX 400 which were Indonesian. Eventually they moved production on all SRX models to Indonesia dropping the top of the line neck through SRX700 when they did the move. I'm very thankful to have gotten one those Cort Korea made neck through Ibanez SRX700's before they were discontinued. It is a Stingray killer.

Found this SR500 headstock reverse shot:

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Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 7:27 pm
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Just arrived at my WI office....40 and raining, snow is a possibility this week. Long, long winter up here.

I have one SR 500 up here so I can noodle. I stay in my office unless my wife is with me and have a little Crate 50 amp under my desk.

Anyway, the logo on the back of the headstock is not as plain, has a very modern look to it, but it definitely says Made in Korea. Huh. Learn something new every day.

Not able to post pics from here...or lets be honest....not sure how to post picks from this network, tons of security stuff, so I have emailed the photo to Brother Dave to post if he wishes. I will take a peek at the other one once I return home.

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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 1:09 pm
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brotherdave wrote:
affprod wrote:
What I have learned: I have two Ibanez SR500s that I purchased to use for outdoor gigs when I first moved to Florida. (Afraid of salt air on my Fenders at the time) Both are very nice basses for the price. I had no idea they were made in Korea, always thought Japan, but not being Fenders, I really never looked into it.


All of the Ibanez TRB models & most SRX models plus many SR models were made by Cort Korea for a while except the low end models like the SRX 400 which were Indonesian. Eventually they moved production on all SRX models to Indonesia dropping the top of the line neck through SRX700 when they did the move. I'm very thankful to have gotten one those Cort Korea made neck through Ibanez SRX700's before they were discontinued. It is a Stingray killer.

Found this SR500 headstock reverse shot:

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Those SRX700 basses were pretty cool. I had some G.A.S. for one, but you know how that goes when you don't have the money to buy one. I've read that Carol Kaye plays them on her website (or used to since it was a long time ago I'd seen that.) I did play on a cheaper model that wasn't neck through but had the same pick ups in it and that thing had a hell of an output. Pretty beefy. As far as Korean made Ibanez basses go, I had a TR50 bass in yellow that I bought new back in '95 for around $200, I suppose it was their budget version of a P-Bass. You'd think it was a p.o.s. because of the price, but it actually was really nice bass. It had excellent action without any tweaking and good fretwork. It sounded really good, too. I use to run it through an Ampeg or a Peavey head and Carvin cabs and served me well. Unfortunately, I lost it along with everything else I had when I left Florida, but that's water under the bridge. I have new stuff now and a decent bass and an amp that actually works.

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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 5:14 pm
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Those SRX700 basses were pretty cool. I had some G.A.S. for one, but you know how that goes when you don't have the money to buy one. I've read that Carol Kaye plays them on her website (or used to since it was a long time ago I'd seen that.) I did play on a cheaper model that wasn't neck through but had the same pick ups in it and that thing had a hell of an output. Pretty beefy. As far as Korean made Ibanez basses go, I had a TR50 bass in yellow that I bought new back in '95 for around $200, I suppose it was their budget version of a P-Bass. You'd think it was a p.o.s. because of the price, but it actually was really nice bass. It had excellent action without any tweaking and good fretwork. It sounded really good, too. I use to run it through an Ampeg or a Peavey head and Carvin cabs and served me well. Unfortunately, I lost it along with everything else I had when I left Florida, but that's water under the bridge. I have new stuff now and a decent bass and an amp that actually works.


I currently have the Cort Korea made Ibanez TRB70 in addition to the SRX700. The stock P/J pickups in the passive TRB70 sucked pretty bad so I got a WILDE matched P/J set from Bill Lawrence and replaced the pots with CTS and set it up with a VOL/BLEND/TONE configuration using 2 PIO caps per Mr. Lawrence's diagram. HOLY CATS IT SMOKES! I used that as a rehearsal instrument for 4 or 5 years. Pointy headstock aside it is a real nice player for a bolt on Ibanez. A wonderful instrument now, but due to the pointy headstock I don't feel very cool playing it in public.

Carol still plays her SRX700 and it is her one and only 4 string electric bass. I got mine because I played hers during private lessons at her house. She has lots of instruments but only one 4 string active bass, the honeyburst SRX700. It is very versatile and only lacks a midrange control. Otherwise the best and fasted playing active bass I've ever had.

I will play the SRX700 out, like here:

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STEVE'S SR500 HEADSTOCK REVERSE does say Korea and here is the photo he sent:

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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 5:18 pm
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The print obviously changed on the headstock reverse in 2004 on the SR 500 as the one I posted was 2003. Again in that serial the "C" stands for CORT.


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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 7:35 pm
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Thanks for posting my pic Brother Dave. The SR500 is a decent practice instrument. My only complaint is it is active only. When the battery says goodnight, so does the music.

I do have a question though, did Ibanez morph from Gibson?

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