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Post subject: Jazz Bass P/ups - Vintage, Custom Shop etc..
Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 10:06 am
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Hi... Firstly, apologies if this has been covered elsewhere previously.

I'd be keen to understand any differences between the pick-ups on the following basses, if at all possible. The information is taken from the spec sheets or (in the case of the CS '62 Jazz) the Shop Floor Traveller sheet.

CS '62 Jazz Bass (stack knob) - RHY VINT J BASS REL (0020906200); LEAD VINT J BASS REL (0020908200)
CS '64 Jazz Bass - 2 Vintage Jazz Bass
AVRI '62 Jazz Bass - 2 Vintage Jazz Bass
Roadworn Jazz Bass - 2 Standard Vintage Alnico Magnet Jazz Bass

Am I correct in thinking that the CS '64 and the AVRI '62 are fitted with the same p/ups, ditto the Roadworn, and that the CS '62 is fitted with different ones?

Or are they all the same?!

The basses do sound different - the Roadworn definitely sounds the 'thinner' of them all, as an example.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

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Post subject: Re: Jazz Bass P/ups - Vintage, Custom Shop etc..
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:06 pm
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Anyone?!

Come on, help a fella out here!


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Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 3:05 pm
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Plonk wrote:
Anyone?!

Come on, help a fella out here!


My only direct experience is with the Custom Shop p'ups in my 2012 American Standard Jazz that I love and haven't heard a better sounding pair. But that doesn't help you any. They just can't be all that different. What were you planning on buying?

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Post subject: Re: Jazz Bass P/ups - Vintage, Custom Shop etc..
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 3:41 pm
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Hi linnin...

Apologies, I should have made myself clearer. The basses are all ones that I own but recently I've started to want to try and find out a bit more about them and the various differences (subtle or otherwise) between them.

The pick ups intrigue me but all I have is really what my ears tell me (I love the sound of each instrument!) but little else in terms of understanding the various specs etc.

I'm constantly in awe of the level of knowledge on here on pretty much every aspect of Fenders and was hoping that there would be a quick and easy way to explain/understand any differences between the various pick ups mentioned.

Any help would be appreciated!


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Post subject: Re: Jazz Bass P/ups - Vintage, Custom Shop etc..
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:07 pm
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It would be nice if we could have full time Fender Custom Shop p'up winder on tap to tell us the differences, but the competition would be 'all ears' also.

I'd be willing to bet that a lot of the fine subtle nuances you are hearing are really differences between each instrument in it's totality rather than just in electronics. Our Fender basses are art, and as such are more than the simple sum of their parts.

Add in the artist/bass player and BAM! Tonal reality changes yet again.

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Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:25 pm
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The only way to know FOR SURE is to get the parts list for each instrument and find out the part numbers for the pickups in question. Compare the part numbers.

As a general rule ONE WORD DIFFERENCE in the pickup name means a different pickup. When the name is exactly the same then the same pickup specs can be assumed. Often the tone cap will be different though which can make the pickup sound completely different.

In pickups what varies is the type of magnet used, pole positioning (raised A pole etc) and the number of turns of wire on the coil. The more turns the higher the impedance, the higher the output and the lower the frequency response range. Alnico comes in different strengths of magnetism with the weaker magnets (Alnico IV) sometimes used to yield the tone of a 50 year old pickup. Hand scatter winding versus machine winding comes into play too, however on higher end instruments like yours they are all hand scattered. Cheaper pickups will use ceramic magnets such as the MIM Fender Standard pickups.

Linnen is correct when he says it is more than just the pickups. Strings and player figure into it a lot. If you are comparing instruments setup with different strings or even the same string sets that happen to be different ages then you are going to get different voicings. Differences are not always in the pickups. In fact you can go to a dealer and play several identical basses and no two will actually SOUND and play exactly identical even though they are spec'd identical! Instruments are like people in that they are ALL different to some degree. Even identical twin humans have differences.


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Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 9:01 am
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Interesting,....I was recently thinking the same thing, I've seen the Spec's on some Jazz basses ..like the Geddy Lee & '64 American Vintage Jazz & Jaco Fretless all have American Vintage single coil Jazz pickups. (they're even used on some CS Jazz Basses)

The American Special & Road Worn jazz basses & MIM 60's jazz bass have Standard Vintage Alnico Magnet single coil Pickups.

& The MIM Marcus Miller Jazz has an American Vintage single coil Jazz Neck pickup & an American Vintage '75 Jazz Bridge pickup (my 2009 MIJ Marcus Miller Jazz bass had a set of American vintage single coil pickups) so Fender has switched it up a bit with the MIM versions of the Marcus Miller Jazz Bass.

Anyway from what I understand The American Vintage single coil Jazz bass pickups are in fact
Fender Original Jazz bass pick ups,...the description even says:
As Heard On Fender American Vintage Jazz Bass guitars
http://www.fender.com/guitar-bass-parts ... -set-of-2/

& Linin & Dave are correct, you could have a row of Jazz basses with the same pickups in the & they'll each sound a bit different,....for instance My MIJ Marcus Miller bass(in passive mode) has a bit more bite than my Geddy Lee Jazz bass & they both have American Vintage single coil jazz bass pick ups .. the difference could be that one bass has an ash body & the other has an Alder body :)


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Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 10:26 am
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Thanks all, really appreciate your replies and thoughts.

I suppose it does come down to the fact that all basses will sound different, regardless of whether they're the same model or not. And an instrument will sound different in someone else's hands - I remember playing the bass of a player that I really liked and being disappointed that I wasn't getting the same sound/tone as him - "What do you expect? You're not me!" Sums it up, really.

Probably why I can't get my P-bass to sound like Pino or my Jazz to sound like JPJ!


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Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 10:40 am
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I've said it here before,...it's all in the hands & technique,...& your style of playing ... :)
& then to a lesser degree the strings & amp your using & the way you've got the setting on your Bass Amp Head,.....


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Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 2:00 pm
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It's funny, but I came on here today to find an answer to my own question about ohm resistance variances in pickups. My question was: 'Do higher ohm resistance values mean that a pickup is hotter than one with a lower resistance value'?
This is the first post I read and it seems that Brother Dave answered my question when he told Plonk:

brotherdave wrote:
In pickups what varies is the type of magnet used, pole positioning (raised A pole etc) and the number of turns of wire on the coil. The more turns the higher the impedance, the higher the output and the lower the frequency response range. Alnico comes in different strengths of magnetism with the weaker magnets (Alnico IV) sometimes used to yield the tone of a 50 year old pickup.


So I guess that basically more turns of wire on the coil equals a higher output (hotter pickup); and magnet size, Alnico IV vs Alnico V, makes a difference too. Alnico V being larger and hotter, right?

I've been wanting to put new pups in my MIJ 75 Reissue Jazz. I guess now all I need to do is figure out which Fender set will give me the sound I'd like to achieve, assuming that US made pups will fit in my MIJ Jazz. I guess all I can do is buy a set and see.


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Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 2:25 pm
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63p-bass wrote:
I've been wanting to put new pups in my MIJ 75 Reissue Jazz. I guess now all I need to do is figure out which Fender set will give me the sound I'd like to achieve, assuming that US made pups will fit in my MIJ Jazz. I guess all I can do is buy a set and see.


If you're concidering sticking with Fender pick ups,..I'd go with 60's Custom Shop Pick ups,... :)
http://www.fender.com/guitar-bass-parts ... -set-of-2/
Seymour Duncan also has some nice pickups that would fit the Bill.


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Post subject: Re: Jazz Bass P/ups - Vintage, Custom Shop etc..
Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 2:35 pm
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James, I've been looking at the CS 60's pups. The ad says they're overwound, but comparing specs to other Fender JB pups they have the lowest resistance value. The CS would likely sound the most like the ones I have in it now though. You wanna make up my mind for me? :)
That would def be easier on me. I hesitate terribly on decisions like this.


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Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 5:02 pm
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James Coderre wrote:
63p-bass wrote:
I've been wanting to put new pups in my MIJ 75 Reissue Jazz. I guess now all I need to do is figure out which Fender set will give me the sound I'd like to achieve, assuming that US made pups will fit in my MIJ Jazz. I guess all I can do is buy a set and see.


If you're concidering sticking with Fender pick ups,..I'd go with 60's Custom Shop Pick ups,... :)
http://www.fender.com/guitar-bass-parts ... -set-of-2/
Seymour Duncan also has some nice pickups that would fit the Bill.


I agree with James as to the 60's Custom Shop p'ups. I'd also go right ahead and gut your bass entirely and replace everything with high grade made in U.S.A. components to include the wiring. Perfect time to shield your body cavities too! :shock:

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Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 5:51 pm
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Definitely agree about the new pots, etc. Linnen. All the way down to the ground wire to the bridge. I have some copper shielding too. Might as well put it in there.
I read somewhere that the CS 60's are standard right now in the American Deluxe Jazz. Anybody know if this is correct? Hope so, because I played a 2012 Am Del that was really nice. Makes me want to put a preamp in it too.


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Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 6:18 pm
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From what I've seen so far, Am. Deluxe Jazz, are still using N3 Noiseless pups.

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