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Post subject: Re: String Salad Surgury
Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 6:18 am
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oxfan be careful what you feed your strings. I have had a few sets over the years that were diabetic right out of the box! :shock:

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Post subject: Re: String Salad Surgury
Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 2:09 pm
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Mr. Nylon would say, the only thing you freeze, is fudgesicles.


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[quote="ricbass"]Mr. Nylon would say, the only thing you freeze, is fudgesicles.

That's about right too.


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Post subject: Re: String Salad Surgury
Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 2:21 pm
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Oh well. :roll: Maybe spaghetti, but not Nylon strings. 8)

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Post subject: Re: String Salad Surgury
Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 6:59 pm
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oxfan be careful what you feed your strings. I have had a few sets over the years that were diabetic right out of the box! :shock:


I never let them overindulge, there have been times when wifey complains about me eating all the ice cream and i know I didn't,hmmmmmm.


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Post subject: Re: String Salad Surgury
Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 7:00 pm
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ricbass wrote:
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Mr. Nylon would say, the only thing you freeze, is fudgesicles.

Well HI Ricbass! Welcome to the forum. Gee, you look familiar! :shock:

That's about right too.


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Post subject: Re: String Salad Surgury
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 1:07 am
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There is a serious side to the boiling procedure. If there is a factory electroplating deficiency in the string core and any moisture remains, even after surface drying, the potential of rust forming is a possibility.

If you must boil the strings, don't do it with ETB92 TAPEWOUNDS, or the black outer coating will unwrap and stick to the hard boiled eggs and pasta in the same pan and make it all but impossible to eat. :roll:

Mr. N - Your opinion on that would be appreciated... ;)

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Post subject: Re: String Salad Surgury
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 10:09 am
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I've been sort of watching this thread from time to time mostly out of curiosity, trying to determine if this is all a joke or if you folks are serious. I realize it's a little of both so for those who are serious, please explain your logic for freezing strings because I've been thinking about it and I can think of none.

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Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:57 pm
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Post subject: Re: String Salad Surgury
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 5:27 pm
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BMW-KTM wrote:
I've been sort of watching this thread from time to time mostly out of curiosity, trying to determine if this is all a joke or if you folks are serious. I realize it's a little of both so for those who are serious, please explain your logic for freezing strings because I've been thinking about it and I can think of none.




Read the OP's original post. :D


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Post subject: Re: String Salad Surgury
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 5:30 pm
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You know.... at one point I thought the strings did sound better. Maybe he's a hypnotist? Not sure. I still have a question mark of the mind about it. ? :?:


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Post subject: Re: String Salad Surgury
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 7:48 pm
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Well, I'M SERIOUS!


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Post subject: Re: String Salad Surgury
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 8:53 pm
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Well, I'M SERIOUS!


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Post subject: Re: String Salad Surgury
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 9:02 pm
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stroker vance wrote:
Read the OP's original post. :D
I read it the first time. I still see no reason for this.

We've had these discussions a few times before. There is nothing to be gained or lost (from a metallurgical point of view) from boiling or freezing. Neither of those processes will have any affect whatsoever on the strings, except for the cleaning action of boiling.

There are no forms of heat treatment which can occur below 400˚C and even so, at that low of a temperature very little can be accomplished. Boiling at 212˚F (100˚C) will do nothing whatsoever to the string regardless of how long the string is boiled. The only type of heat treatment that is both common and also occurs at relatively low temperatures is called annealing and it happens around -680˚C and higher, depending on the alloys in the steel.

There are no cryogenic treatments for steel strings that can occur at temperatures warmer than -160˚F and most types of cryo treatment begin at around -200˚F so freezing strings in a refrigerator with an average temp of -20˚F to -25˚F or even a deep freeze chest with a temp of -35˚F to -40˚F will be equally pointless. I believe Dean Markley Blue Steel uses a cryo-treatment of about -230˚F, give or take a few degrees.

I would strongly recommend NOT placing your strings in an environment such as a freezer, and most vehemently if it is the freezer section of a refrigerator. Freezers in general and particularly the freezers built into refrigerators are subject to extreme fluctuation in humidity levels. Frost free fridges are the worst because they stay frost free by alternating between heating and cooling cycles to melt any frost buildup.

If a person chooses to boil their strings (I used to do it) they should place the strings in a 250˚F oven for 15 or 20 minutes after boiling to ensure they dry quickly and thoroughly to prevent rusting.

Again … the boiling and freezing of strings will have no affect on them from a metallurgical point of view. The slapping method shown in the video can't be very good for the frets or the strings. You'd be better off boiling if you can't afford new strings.

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Post subject: Re: String Salad Surgury
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 9:25 pm
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stroker vance wrote:
Read the OP's original post. :D
I read it the first time. I still see no reason for this.

We've had these discussions a few times before. There is nothing to be gained or lost (from a metallurgical point of view) from boiling or freezing. Neither of those processes will have any affect whatsoever on the strings, except for the cleaning action of boiling.

There are no forms of heat treatment which can occur below 400˚C and even so, at that low of a temperature very little can be accomplished. Boiling at 212˚F (100˚C) will do nothing whatsoever to the string regardless of how long the string is boiled. The only type of heat treatment that is both common and also occurs at relatively low temperatures is called annealing and it happens around -680˚C and higher, depending on the alloys in the steel.

There are no cryogenic treatments for steel strings that can occur at temperatures warmer than -160˚F and most types of cryo treatment begin at around -200˚F so freezing strings in a refrigerator with an average temp of -20˚F to -25˚F or even a deep freeze chest with a temp of -35˚F to -40˚F will be equally pointless. I believe Dean Markley Blue Steel uses a cryo-treatment of about -230˚F, give or take a few degrees.

I would strongly recommend NOT placing your strings in an environment such as a freezer, and most vehemently if it is the freezer section of a refrigerator. Freezers in general and particularly the freezers built into refrigerators are subject to extreme fluctuation in humidity levels. Frost free fridges are the worst because they stay frost free by alternating between heating and cooling cycles to melt any frost buildup.

If a person chooses to boil their strings (I used to do it) they should place the strings in a 250˚F oven for 15 or 20 minutes after boiling to ensure they dry quickly and thoroughly to prevent rusting.

Again … the boiling and freezing of strings will have no affect on them from a metallurgical point of view. The slapping method shown in the video can't be very good for the frets or the strings. You'd be better off boiling if you can't afford new strings.



I wasn't talking Metallurgy when I explained about boiling strings. The boiling cleans away crud on the strings. And we know it makes them sound better for awhile. That's the idea. You commented that you did it too. When I thought about freezing or putting my new strings in the fridge it was to get them out of my basement and temperature and humidity changes. Then as my mind never stops thinking it went on to boiling and then freezing- which evidently you say won't do anything for them. That's cool with me. I haven't done it yet so I have no idea what would happen . It is good to know that a Scientist reads the posts and is equipped to shoot my theory all to h.e. double hockey sticks should I have any intentions of having a theory. And due to the limitations of typing and not being able to portray the humorist inflection with which I am thinking in-- then you could take my reply wrong and get all mad. I trust you understand that it's all good and that I'll probably never be able to quit stopping and smelling roses. :D


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