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Post subject: New Modern Player Satin w/o "Crafted in" inscription?
Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:08 am
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Hi! I'd like to a buy the new Modern Player Jazz Bass Satin (Olympic White) and I have the candidate instrument I want to order (I live in Hungary and in my near vicinity I can't "try & buy" one unfortunately so I have to order it from another country). It is available from a German webshop (Thomann) and I asked the webshop's administrator to upload pictures of the instrument they're selling so that I can see it at least on pictures. They were really nice and took pictures of the bass and uploaded them to their site.

As I was looking through the pictures I've noticed that on the back of the headstock there is no "Crafted in China" inscription, it's missing. Here's the link for the bass on the German site: http://www.thomann.de/gb/fender_modern_ ... _satin.htm

Because I thought this was weird I searched the net for more pictures on this particular model and I found very nice shots on Sweetwater. On these basses the "Crafted in China" inscription is clearly there. Here's the link: http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ ... CGF1305816 (Beautiful guitar if you ask me.)

I'm no expert and I don't think the German webshop and their owner's are trying to play me, but I thought I'll shoot my question here anyway just to be safe: is it possible for a new (these Satin models are supposed to be brand new, aren't they?) Fender guitar to be missing this inscription or something fishy is going on? Replaced neck? Fake? I'm not sure.

I own a Squier Standard Telecaster and even that model has the "Crafted in Indonesia" inscription on the back of its headstock. I even have a cheap Squier acoustic guitar which too has the "Crafted in China" label inside the guitar's body.

I've contacted the webshop's administrators and they've said that: "The instrument looks like shown on our website, maybe Fender changed the kind of label on their Fender instruments made in China, but I don't have further informations about that.
The serial is still in the way of the Chinese instruments and the box has still the "made in China" label on it."

I've also contacted Fender's Customer Relations via email, but I didn't got an answer from there yet.

My only concern is that if I buy the guitar and "something is off" I'll have a hard time sending it back to wherever I'll have to send it back when the occasion arises. Also, I'm not loaded and "over here" this guitar counts as "not too cheap".

What do you think? Should I be concerned? Thank you for any insight.


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Post subject: Re: New Modern Player Satin w/o "Crafted in" inscription?
Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 2:13 pm
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Welcome to the forum kohanyi.robert! I think it is entirely possible that Thomann has posted stock photos which might have been modified before they actually got them instead of shooting their own photos of the actual individual instrument you are buying. Thomann is an authorized distributor and I would be astounded if there was anything amiss in their sales practices. Even US online dealers use stock photos on mass production instruments. Few online dealers will actually go to the trouble to shoot their own photos if stock ones work for their needs. There are a few exceptions like Sweetwater.

I don't think you should be concerned about it. If it arrived broken, what would you do? Send it back of course. So why not do that if it isn't genuine?

Ask them to email you a close up of the back of the headstock on the actual instrument they have to sell you. It doesn't have to be a fancy high resolution shot.


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Post subject: Re: New Modern Player Satin w/o "Crafted in" inscription?
Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:35 am
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I've been contacted by Fender's customer service and Thomann too today.

One of Thomann's employee said that the pictures on their site show the actual instrument that is in their shop, so the pictures aren't stock ones.

The owner at my local musical instrument shop told me that he also doubts that Thomann would market fake or sub-par guitars and also said that if I order one from them I'll probably got one from a big warehouse w/o the box ever opened.

An employee at Fender's customer service too reassured me that he heavily doubts that I'll will get a sub-par or otherwise faulty instrument from Thomann if I order one. However he did note that "These should have a country of origin printed on the headstock.", so I asked him to check (by the serial number on the picture) whether this particular instrument is on their "b-stock" list (or something like that) if he's able to do so. Maybe this is a b-stock instrument which somehow slipped through a quality check and got shipped out to Thomann.

Anyway, I think I've done everything in my reach not to get tricked into a purchase I don't want or which will "hurt me", so I'll go for it! I don't know when I'll receive the bass, but when I do I'll post an update whether the back of the headstock has the "Crafted in China" label or not. :) I hope it'll be there. I like when it's there.


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Post subject: Re: New Modern Player Satin w/o "Crafted in" inscription?
Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 11:27 am
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kohanyi.robert wrote:
I've been contacted by Fender's customer service and Thomann too today.

One of Thomann's employee said that the pictures on their site show the actual instrument that is in their shop, so the pictures aren't stock ones.

The owner at my local musical instrument shop told me that he also doubts that Thomann would market fake or sub-par guitars and also said that if I order one from them I'll probably got one from a big warehouse w/o the box ever opened.

An employee at Fender's customer service too reassured me that he heavily doubts that I'll will get a sub-par or otherwise faulty instrument from Thomann if I order one. However he did note that "These should have a country of origin printed on the headstock.", so I asked him to check (by the serial number on the picture) whether this particular instrument is on their "b-stock" list (or something like that) if he's able to do so. Maybe this is a b-stock instrument which somehow slipped through a quality check and got shipped out to Thomann.

Anyway, I think I've done everything in my reach not to get tricked into a purchase I don't want or which will "hurt me", so I'll go for it! I don't know when I'll receive the bass, but when I do I'll post an update whether the back of the headstock has the "Crafted in China" label or not. :) I hope it'll be there. I like when it's there.

photoshopped to hide the serial number?


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Post subject: Re: New Modern Player Satin w/o "Crafted in" inscription?
Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 9:06 pm
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fatcatt wrote:
photoshopped to hide the serial number?


Thomann wrote to me that they didn't alter the picture and the instrument looks just like that. I ordered my bass from them yesterday, so we'll find out if I'll get one without the inscription or not soon. :)


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Post subject: Re: New Modern Player Satin w/o "Crafted in" inscription?
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 12:24 pm
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Welcome to the forum.

Thomann seems to be a reputable dealer. Bass comes with a three year warranty and, more importantly, a thirty day money back guarantee. I understand your concern and the logistics involved in a return, but you have brought the issue to their attention, see what they say, then bring the bass to Hungary!.

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Post subject: Re: New Modern Player Satin w/o "Crafted in" inscription?
Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 12:13 pm
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kohanyi.robert wrote:
fatcatt wrote:
photoshopped to hide the serial number?


Thomann wrote to me that they didn't alter the picture and the instrument looks just like that. I ordered my bass from them yesterday, so we'll find out if I'll get one without the inscription or not soon. :)

Well it should have reached you by now, right? Any Updates for us?


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Post subject: Re: New Modern Player Satin w/o "Crafted in" inscription?
Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:24 pm
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fatcatt wrote:
Well it should have reached you by now, right? Any Updates for us?

I wish! :) Still waiting for the delivery, maybe this week it'll arrive, but I wouldn't be surprised if it arrived next week (it's just Monday morning at my location).


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Post subject: Re: New Modern Player Satin w/o "Crafted in" inscription?
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 8:37 am
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No guitar as of today. More than one month.

I ordered my bass on 25th of September. I was told it'll arrive 2-3 maybe 4 weeks - I paid in advance, because I ordered/bought other stuff from my local musical instrument shop so I trusted them my money. After 4 weeks I was told the bass will probably arrive the following week and on the following week I was told it will arrive *this* week. It didn't arrive so I demanded and got my money back finally.

I asked another Hungarian dealer that if they can obtain the bass for me at all and how long will it take for them? They've said that they've contacted the official Hungarian Fender distributor who said that there isn't a single Fender Modern Player Jazz Bass Satin OW on stock in Europe or at least in Fender's European warehouses (supposedly every dealer in Europe gets their Fender stuff from this warehouse or whatnot). It seems there is a black one in stock, but I couldn't care less about the black one. I don't want any other bass aside from this, period.

Thomann's webpage still says that they have one in stock, so I've contacted them and asked if that's really the case. They haven't replied to me as of yet. (I don't want to blindly order anything from them, paying up front, until I know I'll get what I order - I understand that I could ask for a refund if my order does not arrive, but I already had too much pain in my $@! lately so I don't want anymore trouble.)

The only one thing that makes my blood boil about all of this is that the dealer that I've originally ordered the bass from couldn't say to my face after a month that "sorry bro', we couldn't get you this guitar for like a month, so here's your money back, sorry for the inconvenience", no, they just sat on my money for over a month and I had to go to them to get it back. Which is sad. I totally understand that they can''n import one from China or the USA because that would double their expenses, but I can't understand the way that they've handled this.

Oh, yeah, anyone with a Chinese contact who can fix me up with a Satin Jazz Bass from Asia? :)


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Post subject: Re: New Modern Player Satin w/o "Crafted in" inscription?
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 9:20 am
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There are some Romanian guys on the Warwick site- who are pro bass players and I'm sure may be able to help you with purchasing a Fender. Or at least be able to give you a heads up on info that may be of use to you. Just a thought. :D


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Post subject: Re: New Modern Player Satin w/o "Crafted in" inscription?
Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 12:38 am
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Fender's Hungarian distributor has contacted me and it seems they'll be able to obtain the guitar for me after all. Not sure what went down behind the scenes... Anyway, if everything goes smoothly it'll arrive next Friday or maybe the following Monday. So, I'm waiting again. :)


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Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 9:49 pm
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kohanyi.robert wrote:
Fender's Hungarian distributor has contacted me and it seems they'll be able to obtain the guitar for me after all. Not sure what went down behind the scenes... Anyway, if everything goes smoothly it'll arrive next Friday or maybe the following Monday. So, I'm waiting again. :)



Nice to hear. :D


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Post subject: Re: New Modern Player Satin w/o "Crafted in" inscription?
Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 10:15 am
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At last my guitar has arrived! I took a few pictures, with my phone so it's $@!&#* as hell, but as the instrument looks exactly as shown here at sweetwater.com I think it should suffice. :)

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By the way the "Crafted in China" decal is present on the back of the headstock so all is fine. I hadn't had the chance to record anything using it yet, but as I'm not a bassist I have to practice a bit first : ) The frets and the strings are just way too much for me at the moment, feels strange to play it after a guitar.

If anyone has a question about the instrument I'll try to check back here between bass sessions and answer them.


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Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 1:32 pm
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Beautiful Modern Player Bass, Robert! Welcome to the Fender Family, and enjoy! :D

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Post subject: Re: New Modern Player Satin w/o "Crafted in" inscription?
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Is that a Badass bridge on the Jazz???

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