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Post subject: 2012 MIA Jazz bass - Difference between the CS pick ups.....
Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 10:41 pm
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Hi!

Okay, my subject is supposed to say, "What is the difference between the 2012 MIA Jazz bass Custom Shop pickup's versus the previous years pickup's of the same bass type?".

I just bought a Lefty American Standard Jazz bass and know nothing about it. I am just starting to learn this instrument (Been a drummer since 1983) and have little knowledge on this thing.

Sooooo... what is the difference between the 2011 p/u's and the 2012 Custom Shop p/u's?
Is it the tone....probably....duh....but what about this different tone? Anything else?

Also, where can I get a clear pickguard for this bass? I'm not to hip on the brownish flaky whatever you call it pickguard that it comes with. I haven't much much on clear pickguards......



Thanks a bunch!!

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Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 7:59 am
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Hello. The brownish PG I think you're referring to, is a tortoise shell. Transparent, or clear PG's are rare at best. The main purpose of the PG on the Jazz Bass and other Fenders, is to cover up the cavities that the wiring, and controls sit in. The main difference I noticed between the Am. Std. pups, the 2012 CS60's have a little deeper tone. What type of amp are you running your Jazz through? Best of luck with your new Jazz. Post some photos when you get a chance. Image

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Post subject: Re: 2012 MIA Jazz bass - Difference between the CS pick ups.
Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 8:01 am
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Welcome fellow lefty! :D

Yes, the Custom Shop pickups are the best jazz bass pickups I have ever heard in my entire life!

Here, read this -> viewtopic.php?f=10&t=75633

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Post subject: Re: 2012 MIA Jazz bass - Difference between the CS pick ups.
Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 12:26 pm
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Unfortunately the CS 60's pickups are not available for the Jazz Bass V.


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Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 2:50 pm
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For a guy that has played drums since the 80s, you sure picked a nice bass for your first one. You will love it.

There is a company or two that makes clear pick guards, they advertise on eBay. I just checked and there are a couple listed for $28.99 and a couple in the $40s. Easy pickings.

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Post subject: Re: 2012 MIA Jazz bass - Difference between the CS pick ups.
Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 3:01 pm
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Linnin,

Hey, your serial number ends in 473....my first of the two Jazz basses I got has the serial number ending in 474. The actual number is 12189474. The numbers match up, but mine is one number up!! Trip huh??

Okay...i said I got two of them...I had to return the one with the number that is one off from yours. Something to do with the truss rod.... It was replaced with the same bass but with the serial number up in the 301 thousand range.

Affprod,

I used to play on a 7 piece DW kit, and love the quality of their instruments and hardware. I did not want to skimp on a bass, so I purposely bought a bass of high quality. I once had a $199 Ibanez job back in 1998....it was a piece of you know what. I sold it soon after buying it. I haven't owned a bass until the Jazz bass. I dis not want to chance it again with a lame bass. So that is why I bought the MIA Jazz bass. :)

As for the other question about what amp I use.....I am borrowing a Fender Rumble 15. I am not sure what I want because I just do not know anything about amps. Drums yes...amps, not at all. Soooo...from looking at online reviews and YouTube, it seems. I may go for the TC Electronic 250 watt amp. It is way more than what I need, but with the "easy payments" from Zzounds.com, why not go for it. GK is another brand I was possibly thinking of looking in to. I till have a lot to learn before I make any investment in to an amp.

Thanks!!!

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Post subject: Re: 2012 MIA Jazz bass - Difference between the CS pick ups.
Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 4:32 pm
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Very Cool, Mike! 8) I'm glad you are enjoying your left-handed Fender American Standard Jazz Bass. :wink:

Don't overlook the more powerful Rumbles. The 150 is America's best selling bass combo for a very good reason. If you're not tired of reading my writting, check out this review of my Rumble 75. viewtopic.php?f=23&t=72320&start=30

The 75 has the very same front end (pre-amp) as the 150 and the overall sound quality is very simular.

If you're only playing solo and don't need the high power for live performance volume levels, do look into Fender's Bronco 40. A superbly high quality digital modling amp that is the bees knees for recording and personal practice. Several bassmen on this forum own them and love them. Attractively priced at about $250.

Do ask any questions you like. We're a friendly bunch most of the time.

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Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 7:28 pm
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Great bass.

I have a Rumble 100, 1 x 15. Not sure it is made anymore, I believe it was replaced by the 150 mentioned. The amp has never given me an issue while playing at home, five to ten years old.

I am having a sound issue during practices because the amp sound is getting disrupted by the sound of my new PA system, working on that. I don't hold that against the amp, it has been very nice for a long time.

I would buy another Rumble if needed.

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Post subject: Re: 2012 MIA Jazz bass - Difference between the CS pick ups.
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 2:42 pm
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Hi!

Thank you all for the input on the Fender amps.

My main concern though is (not really a concern, just curious...), what is the difference between the pickups from the 2012 Jazz bass versus the 2011 and earlier Jazz basses; American Standard that is.

Mr. Nylon, thanks for your opinion!! =)
You said this, "The main difference I noticed between the Am. Std. pups, the 2012 CS60's have a little deeper tone."

Is that what it is? I'm just curious like I said above...that's all. :)


Thanks a bunch folks!! =)


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Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 7:38 pm
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mkaluski wrote:
Hi!

Thank you all for the input on the Fender amps.

My main concern though is (not really a concern, just curious...), what is the difference between the pickups from the 2012 Jazz bass versus the 2011 and earlier Jazz basses; American Standard that is.

Mr. Nylon, thanks for your opinion!! =)
You said this, "The main difference I noticed between the Am. Std. pups, the 2012 CS60's have a little deeper tone."

Is that what it is? I'm just curious like I said above...that's all. :)


Thanks a bunch folks!! =)


Best,
Mike


Hi Mike. Yep, I believe that to be about it on the Am. Std. 2012's, forward. I will say also, I believe the Am. Std. Bass is the best series Fender makes in their price range. Image

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Post subject: Re: 2012 MIA Jazz bass - Difference between the CS pick ups.
Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 7:24 am
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I doubt you'll hear much difference between the two pickups on a Rumble 15, but it is likely that you will on a Rumble 150 or 350 or any amp with a 2 way speaker system.

The pickup change has to do mostly with winding. How many turns of winding, the type of wire used, how the wire is scattered by hand on the bobbin during the winding and the type of magnets used all matters a great deal. Machines do not wind pickups that sound as good as hand scattered winding.

In the early 60's Fender bass pickups were wound to what I consider the best winding impedance. Once you get beyond the mid 60's slight overwinding begins and the step up in impedance progresses a little more every few years. Prior to the early 60's there had been changes in P-Bass windings and even pickup designs but the 1962 winding on Fender Bass pickups is considered by me to be the fullest range on both a P and J. They sound swell.

Many people just don't understand that overwinding pickups is a tonal compromise. Overwinding makes them louder but robs you of tonal range or versatility. The more you overwind a pickup from the sweet 1962 full range winding the louder the signal but also the more mids and lower mids get emphasized. The more you overwind them the less lows, sub lows, upper mids and highs get heard however the thing can be made louder yes.

Overwinding came into vogue back when amps had advanced to the point they could take more bass frequencies but weren't so advanced power wise to make the new found low end bass tones all that much louder. Back in the late 60's everyone wanted louder. So Fender made the instruments louder and then louder again by overwinding progressively more turns as years went by. Amplification then wasn't into the hundreds or thousands of watts like it is now and 100 watts was considered a high powered bass amp. Nobody much missed the highs either because 15's were the standard bass speaker size and nobody was using 2 way or 3 way cabs with horns or going XLR direct out into the PA. Today though you can tell a difference with modern preamps, their flexible EQ and higher fidelity cabs or a direct out feed because an overwound pickup sounds not as appetizing as one with full tonal range.

The CS60's pickups are an attempt to take the winding back to the early 60's vintage full audio spectrum tonal palate using the same type of components and winding specs used before the overwinding hype began during the CBS era. A pre-CBS winding impedance should have a fuller range sound than the 2011 model, meaning you should hear more highs, more lows but with a slightly lower output. With today's preamps and high power amps a slightly lower pickup output isn't quite the issue it was in 1971 when people were trading in their early 60's P-Bass for a much louder sounding 1971 model.

I've been talking about the tonal deficiency of overwound pickups for a long time. I bet that the majority of people who order custom pickups from any of the custom pickup makers still get them overwound thinking the more overwound the better, when really it isn't better at all. An overwound one is just louder with boosted mids and lower mids and lacking in everything else. Overwinding makes the instrument more one dimensional and sort of a one-trick-pony. The early 60's P and J winds sound far more versatile. With a decent amp, meaning one with a good preamp, adequate clean power and at least a 2-way cab you will hear a world of difference fidelity wise with a pickup that is wound to early 60's specs. In short the tone control on them actually does something and that is a very good and surprising thing the first time you encounter it.


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Post subject: Re: 2012 MIA Jazz bass - Difference between the CS pick ups.
Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 10:12 am
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I remember reading an article about EMG pickups. EMG active pickups have low impedance, which also means that those have less winding than conventional passive pickups. The science behind that is that the less winding (up to a certain point) makes for a flat frequency response (less colored sound or more balanced). Now, those active pickups have low output and so the need for a preamp which is installed inside the pickup.

So, as Brotherdave said:
" The pickup change has to do mostly with winding. How many turns of winding, the type of wire used, how the wire is scattered by hand on the bobbin during the winding and the type of magnets used all matters a great deal".

Here is a link to the Seymour Duncan tone chart. Here you can compare the resistance between different types of SD pickups and differences in sound.

http://www.seymourduncan.com/comparetones

Also here are some other links describing the Antiquity series pickups for jazz bass.

Antiquity II series
http://www.seymourduncan.com/products/bass/pickups-for-jaz/4string/1104405_06_149/

Antiquity series
http://www.seymourduncan.com/products/bass/pickups-for-jaz/4string/1104401_02_neck/

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