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Post subject: Re: Serial number JB 83, please help
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:48 pm
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Fender's export instruments have always sort of been "orphans" or "red headed step children." The serials are often in a different format so they are permanently excluded from Fender's domestic support network in North America.

Fender leaves all support for export instruments, including historical serial database maintenance, to the offshore distributors. They don't bother to maintain public databases.

Fender Japan does their own serials and other than picking up the E3 serial when FMIC bought out CBS and Fender Japan saved the brand, FMIC has never had any control over the serials Fender Japan uses or their origin marks either for that matter. Fender Japan is a separate entity unto itself.


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Post subject: Re: Serial number JB 83, please help
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:06 pm
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chromeface wrote:
@brotherdave

White pickup covers are generally considered as a DiMarzio specialty.

I suspect DiMarzio was partially involved in the development of those white Fender bass pickups.



I'm a Dimarzio 30+ year user and I do not remember seeing a white cover. I'm not saying they don't ever have that. The only ones I've seen are creme and black. Maybe you mean creme and are calling it white? I have an 83 P with the white covers- anyway most P bass covers are interchangeable which is pretty nice because one can change them to match whatever they want. Shell covers would be really nice. Someone should make all different colors and materials so we can match the covers to the P guards- tortoise covers? Oh Yeah!!! :D


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Post subject: Re: Serial number JB 83, please help
Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 6:23 pm
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stroker vance wrote:
.....Shell covers would be really nice. Someone should make all different colors and materials so we can match the covers to the P guards- tortoise covers? Oh Yeah!!! :D


Stoker, that is about the best idea I've heard all year.


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Post subject: Re: Serial number JB 83, please help
Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 7:58 am
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affprod wrote:
It really is a shame we cannot access a database of these five digit numbers. ...

I need to vent a little more. You would think there has to be a database of those numbers someplace. What is the big secret? Why make these guys, and gals, worry that they bought a fake, then come to us only to find out we cannot say for sure, but it looks right.

I'm absolutely agree. I even wrote to official Fender support and they answered me in the first part - 'That serial isn’t 100% normal, but that doesn’t mean that you have a fake. Would you be willing to send me some more pictures so I can dissect it?'

and in second part (after sending a couple of pictures)
'Based on the serial and that picture, it looks like you have a verified 80’s Fender Jazz Bass. I would now just worry about rocking out with it.'

But I waited something like Dave's answer - 'Yes, it's 100% original Fender but made for some overseas market'.

And it's not so big problem when you're just playing on this one (it's awesome bass actually), it's becoming a big problem when you are going to sell it. Three potential buyers refused deal because they were checked Fender's s/n-table and they just don't want to buy strange-serial-bass even after they had watched our thread and had seen Fender's answer.

So I think Fender should publish all series that were made in USA.


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Post subject: Re: Serial number JB 83, please help
Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 12:50 pm
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Again, it is not FMIC's place to publish serial tables for instruments produced for foreign distributors. I'm not even sure FMIC keeps records on those serials after they ship as they'd have no reason to do so. That is the foreign distributor's territory as is all other support on export instruments. Once Fender ships it then everything else to do with that instrument is up to the distributor.

Anyone that can't tell a copy from a legit Fender USA instrument and depends solely upon some online serial chart probably doesn't deserve to own one. They will wind up buying some knockoff with a valid USA market serial which was counterfeited and be happy as a clam. For example a recent thread here showed us one with a real serial that verifies with the online charts that actually has a real Fender neck and a real Fender body but everything else is non-Fender-factory down to the strap buttons. The closer you look at it, the worse it got.

Another thread showed an obvious fraud that had not one part that was real USA Fender-factory on it at all, but it had a valid Fender USA serial that was forged onto the poorly crafted decal. Even the font used in "Serial Number" was way off. It was totally bogus, but the serial checked out as legitimate USA Fender. So is it worth more because of that valid serial number? No.

Export USA made Fender instruments are the same as one with a USA serial in every detail except the serial is off by one number and there often is no factory original case included. Anyone who knows anything about USA Fender instruments can tell if it is real or not and doesn't need a chart to tell them so.

If anything export models should actually be worth MORE in the secondary market since they cost more in the first place because import duties and taxes were piled onto the retail. In some countries they cost 50% more than in the USA. And to me they should be worth more because they are scarcer in the continental USA than a domestic one. Scarcity in about every other category will equate to added value, but some people are not too bright about scarcity and how it equates to added value. Their loss.


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