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Post subject: Re: Select Proto-type? Confirming USA or MIM/China neck?
Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 3:15 pm
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MTD4Lyfe wrote:
Let's be clear. My original post which I deleted after TB begged for questions that needed to be answered. It had a grip of views (over 5k). I appreciate everyone that chimed in on TB, so I did not come out to be a scum bag. But corrected what I thought was initially true. I had several interests but was not going to sell until I could validate some more information about parts, etc.

Anyone interested in seriously purchasing the bass has received correspondences. Nothing to hide just not going provide extra work to people have no intent in purchasing. Even then after providing emails Fender fanatics are still hesitant which I completely understand.Fender provides such a huge market to different income levels that its necessary to serialize since most Fenders look alike.

Admittedly initially price point was high but I lowered accordingly after being informed by TB. However price point is subjective since tone, playability, aesthetics are all subjective. There are very high end bass priced very high and my old SR505 in my ears sounds better than most costing 10x as much.

Okay...I'm finished...this thread was created a couple of months ago...

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Post subject: Re: Select Proto-type? Confirming USA or MIM/China neck?
Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 3:57 pm
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Post subject: Re: Select Proto-type? Confirming USA or MIM/China neck?
Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 5:32 pm
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MTD4Lyfe wrote:
I think this gentlemen should be able to provide an explanation and should be able to give his side of the story.

Wait, I am that person selling that bass.

I bought this bass guitar from a gentlemen in California who listed the guitar as a Fender Select Prototype. I received pictures, but since it was my first Fender bass, I didn't notice or ask any further question as the aesthetics of the bass sold me. Plus in the bass business, I buy for tone. I received a few sound samples and it was great. So I bought it.

The person I bought this bass from never played the bass guitar. He thought he would have an interest for the instrument as he plays the BAJO SEXTO but never took the time to learn so sold it to me at price I will not disclosed but was fair to me at that time. Remember this was my first Fender.... Didn't know there is such a craziness with origin of built, serial numbers, etc. I guess I never had to worry about those things since my inventory consists of an MTD 535 and a Lakland Darryl Jones 5. However, I discovered things in the Fender market are much crazier. I will say, that I have tried some really nice Fender basses at a boutique shop and preferred the Japanese made over the American time and time again..... Why, since some of you who paid a huge price for your American bass? Simply because TONE, PLAYABILITY, and AESTHETICS is subjective and to my ears the Japanese people provide much better sounding basses. Also, I never had setup issues with the ones I played.

Anyways, after the purchase I asked seller a few more questions, happy with the tone and look of the bass. He stated that he bought from a friend who works at the Corona Facility and won the bass in a Fender Christmas Party.

So, when I actually tried the bass at my church rehearsal it was my first Fender and first 4 string. I loved the looks and sound but my large hands couldn't get used to 4 strings. So I decided to sell.

I initially listed the bass on what I knew. But RaginRog and others asked me questions that prompted me to email and call Fender head quarters. RaginRog had me take additional photos of neck heel and heel pocket on body. RaginRog had no intention of buying the bass but was protecting potential buyers. I thanked him for that as I do not want to be considered a "scammer." I proceeded to email photos to Fender and at that point I was updating description of sale according to their responses. I even received communication from a Fender bass owner that if Fender found out about the prototype being sold by a Fender employee, that person could get into trouble.

Fender gave me their assumptions based on the pictures and I listed details accordingly. However, Fender fanatics could care less if about what Fender says if there are no serial numbers (learned the hard way).

What that said I have emailed and called Fender numerous times. The price and description was truly set by their responses. So, although they confirmed that the bass did have genuine Fender parts it would still be consider a FrakenFender to the Fender public.

I also took the bass for inspection to The Bass Place (http://www.thebassplace.com) and had owner Dennis and Lee take a look at the bass. They said the same thing, without serial numbers we can only conclude and validate some parts but not the neck. However, they said it did look like the '62 Reissue.

So between Fender responses and the bass place inspection here is how I well sell:

Item: Fender Select Prototype

Body: The body does not have a serial number as it is a prototype. It has darkrt shade than the Amber burst production models and the burst it does have is much slighter. The body is Alder.

Neck: The neck has been revealed to be of a 62' Reissue; however, it does not contain serial number to identify origin. Fender states that in that time frame of the time stamp in the picture the name Villalpando did inspect guitars and bass guitars. Upon inspection the neck does not have a finish. This is evident since the Fender decal held up against light reveals the edges of the decal. The nut was identical to the American models at the bass place. The frets are perfect and the rosewood on the fretboard is mint.

Bridge: The bridge was confirmed to be an American bridge by the bass place. It contains the option to string through body or use the conventional method.

Tuners: Fender Japanese Reverse Tuners

Pickups: Fender Select pickups. When comparing to other American models, the pickups are beefier than its counterparts. And from reviews that seems to be the consensus of the general public who own the Select Production model.

Overall: Serial numbers confirm the origin and authenticity of a bass. If you are a purist and enjoy bass selling (or worried about resale) more than enjoying quality gear, this bass is not for you. If you are about great tone, aesthetics, and playability but want at a cheaper price, you cannot go wrong buying this bass. You will turn the heads of people who spent 1.5-2k on their serialized Fender American's. Especially when you tell them the price you paid. Remember this is a passive bass.

RaginRog, I answered every question you asked and provided every picture you requested knowing you had zero intention to purchase the bass. A little disappointed how you kind of through me under the bus on this forum saying I'm full of crap. However, I understand how some people like you enjoy more the construction, origin, reviewing in youtube, and spending countless hours on forums talking about bass guitars. Me on the other hand, I enjoy playing basses that sound good and play good regardless of their origin. I purchase my guitars with intention that I am going to keep them. Not interested in sellling to acquire different gear and being a victim to GAS. I can't afford to do that since I have a family and honestly it can be a waste of time. Next time, tell me how you really feel rather than being a coward behind a forum. Would have respected you much more than I already had.

BTW, this bass does the job and WAY more!


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Post subject: Re: Select Proto-type? Confirming USA or MIM/China neck?
Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 6:22 pm
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It's still an unconfirmed neck and body...coward....he can call me a DB or A** or worse...his original thread was a bit suspicious, especially to the owner of an authentic Fender Select Jazz. If someone from Fender would have confirmed it as a '62 reissue, I would have let him know. Growing up in NY, I've always been leery of overtly nice sales pitches. And he could very well be, but his original sales thread on TB is the reason why I created this thread. He even admitted deleting his original sales thread...

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Post subject: Re: Select Proto-type? Confirming USA or MIM/China neck?
Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 6:30 pm
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Only because I didn't anyone to offer to buy once you and other folks had me ask questions and provide photos. You are mixing up me being unaware of the authenticity of the bass as me being shady seller. I was offered a lot of money for bass at one point and declined because I didn't feel comfortable with unanswered questions I had.


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Post subject: Re: Select Proto-type? Confirming USA or MIM/China neck?
Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 7:17 pm
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MTD4Lyfe wrote:
Only because I didn't anyone to offer to buy once you and other folks had me ask questions and provide photos. You are mixing up me being unaware of the authenticity of the bass as me being shady seller. I was offered a lot of money for bass at one point and declined because I didn't feel comfortable with unanswered questions I had.

I also mentioned that you may have been a little gullible or naive might have been a better choice of words. In all you mentioned afterwards, I think the person that sold it to you was dishonest about it with you.

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Post subject: Re: Select Proto-type? Confirming USA or MIM/China neck?
Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:04 pm
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Just from the pics I wouldn't buy that bass. It's a parts bass I'd say. The neck does look odd. I had a body from Mex that looked like that one. Then there's the rambling story I quit reading half way thru. Red flags. Okay so whatever. I thought someone mentioned no serial number? Oh Geez- no serial number? :shock:


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Post subject: Re: Select Proto-type? Confirming USA or MIM/China neck?
Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:34 am
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Having read a lot of post by Rog, I take him to be an upright guy with more than average knowledge of bass guitars. he's non-confrontational and always ready to help.

I'll have to say, the bass is very unusual. What it is will probably always be a mystery.

Now let's all have a cup of coffee or a root beer and relax.


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Post subject: Re: Select Proto-type? Confirming USA or MIM/China neck?
Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 7:10 am
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stroker vance wrote:
Just from the pics I wouldn't buy that bass. It's a parts bass I'd say. The neck does look odd. I had a body from Mex that looked like that one. Then there's the rambling story I quit reading half way thru. Red flags. Okay so whatever. I thought someone mentioned no serial number? Oh Geez- no serial number? :shock:

Thanks for affirming my sentiment exactly. 8)

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Post subject: Re: Select Proto-type? Confirming USA or MIM/China neck?
Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 7:11 am
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oxfan wrote:
Having read a lot of post by Rog, I take him to be an upright guy with more than average knowledge of bass guitars. he's non-confrontational and always ready to help.

I'll have to say, the bass is very unusual. What it is will probably always be a mystery.

Now let's all have a cup of coffee or a root beer and relax.

Thanks Ox...coffee as soon as I'm done feeding my twins.

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Post subject: Re: Select Proto-type? Confirming USA or MIM/China neck?
Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 7:52 am
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Raginrog wrote:
It's still an unconfirmed neck and body...coward....he can call me a DB or A** or worse...his original thread was a bit suspicious, especially to the owner of an authentic Fender Select Jazz. If someone from Fender would have confirmed it as a '62 reissue, I would have let him know. Growing up in NY, I've always been leery of overtly nice sales pitches. And he could very well be, but his original sales thread on TB is the reason why I created this thread. He even admitted deleting his original sales thread...


As another Select Jazz bass owner I'm in 1000 per cent agreement with Raginrog,.... & even if it were an early stage Proto type,...wouldn't there still be some sort of serial number or marking stating that it's a proto type, Property of FMIC & not for resale.........I grew up in Montreal (8hrs North of New York) & I've also always been leery of overtly nice sales pitches......as they say ..."If it sounds to good to be true".....then.....


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Post subject: Re: Select Proto-type? Confirming USA or MIM/China neck?
Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 7:59 pm
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James Coderre wrote:
Raginrog wrote:
It's still an unconfirmed neck and body...coward....he can call me a DB or A** or worse...his original thread was a bit suspicious, especially to the owner of an authentic Fender Select Jazz. If someone from Fender would have confirmed it as a '62 reissue, I would have let him know. Growing up in NY, I've always been leery of overtly nice sales pitches. And he could very well be, but his original sales thread on TB is the reason why I created this thread. He even admitted deleting his original sales thread...


As another Select Jazz bass owner I'm in 1000 per cent agreement with Raginrog,.... & even if it were an early stage Proto type,...wouldn't there still be some sort of serial number or marking stating that it's a proto type, Property of FMIC & not for resale.........I grew up in Montreal (8hrs North of New York) & I've also always been leery of overtly nice sales pitches......as they say ..."If it sounds to good to be true".....then.....

Thanks for your input James. 8)

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Post subject: Re: Select Proto-type? Confirming USA or MIM/China neck?
Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 9:23 pm
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Raginrog wrote:
Thanks for your input James. 8)


Anytime... :)


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