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Post subject: Select Proto-type? Confirming USA or MIM/China neck?
Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 4:50 pm
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There is a guy trying to sell a bass on Talkbass and claims the bass is a Select-prototype. Personally, I think either the guy is gullible and someone "got him" or he's full of c**p and he's trying to pull a fast one. I think someone got him though because he's continued to post pictures at our request. Can anyone confirm whether or not they think the neck is a USA neck? The body looks legit, but the neck doesn't look like a USA made Fender. Here is a series of pictures:

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Post subject: Re: Select Proto-type? Confirming USA or MIM/China neck?
Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 5:33 pm
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I couldn't say for certain about country of origin but that "Custom Contour Body" decal does seem to be significantly mis-located. A clue perhaps......?

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Post subject: Re: Select Proto-type? Confirming USA or MIM/China neck?
Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 5:39 pm
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I couldn't say for certain about country of origin but that "Custom Contour Body" decal does seem to be significantly mis-located. A clue perhaps......?

Arjay

I think it may be a Fender neck, but something MIM...not USA. When I searched Villalpando/Fender it came up on a Strat forum.

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Post subject: Re: Select Proto-type? Confirming USA or MIM/China neck?
Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 6:14 pm
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The neck looks like a Squier Affinity.


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Post subject: Re: Select Proto-type? Confirming USA or MIM/China neck?
Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 7:22 pm
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Dalembic wrote:
The neck looks like a Squier Affinity.

Interesting.

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Post subject: Re: Select Proto-type? Confirming USA or MIM/China neck?
Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 2:56 am
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Someone had put an Affinity Jazz neck into a Select body and stuck a '62-style decal on the head - supposedly because he disliked the tuxedo fretboard cosmetics.

Frankenbass as usual. :roll:


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Post subject: Re: Select Proto-type? Confirming USA or MIM/China neck?
Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:59 am
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chromeface wrote:
Someone had put an Affinity Jazz neck into a Select body and stuck a '62-style decal on the head - supposedly because he disliked the tuxedo fretboard cosmetics.

Frankenbass as usual. :roll:

I figured it was a Franken bass...

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Post subject: Re: Select Proto-type? Confirming USA or MIM/China neck?
Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:49 am
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The guy just posted this:

Fender states that the neck is Vintage 62' Reissue Neck. The body is in fact a Select body built here in the US. Consumer relations are seeing mint used Selects being sold anywhere between $2000-$2200. Because the neck is not a 'Select' neck, I asked what he thought about my asking price of $1600 and said it was more than fair.

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Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 6:29 am
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I think the previous owner had replaced the original Select neck with either an AVRI '62 or a MIJ equivalent.

Not certain about the neck's authenticity :?

I strongly advise you to stay away from the scammers trying to sell fake Fenders and allparts guitars.

Nice growler, though. :wink:


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Post subject: Re: Select Proto-type? Confirming USA or MIM/China neck?
Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:55 pm
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I could swear that's a MIJ Fotoflame body, too. I think the bridge probably came off a U.S. Fender of some make or model. The tuners "look" MIJ, but I'm not sure.

It may not be "legit", but I bet it does the job plus more. It isn't worth what they're asking, though.


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Post subject: Re: Select Proto-type? Confirming USA or MIM/China neck?
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:54 pm
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Dalembic wrote:
I could swear that's a MIJ Fotoflame body, too. I think the bridge probably came off a U.S. Fender of some make or model. The tuners "look" MIJ, but I'm not sure.

It may not be "legit", but I bet it does the job plus more. It isn't worth what they're asking, though.


Yeah, I wouldn't pay more than $800 for this bass...if I was even interested.

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Post subject: Re: Select Proto-type? Confirming USA or MIM/China neck?
Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:06 am
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I think this gentlemen should be able to provide an explanation and should be able to give his side of the story.

Wait, I am that person selling that bass.

I bought this bass guitar from a gentlemen in California who listed the guitar as a Fender Select Prototype. I received pictures, but since it was my first Fender bass, I didn't notice or ask any further question as the aesthetics of the bass sold me. Plus in the bass business, I buy for tone. I received a few sound samples and it was great. So I bought it.

The person I bought this bass from never played the bass guitar. He thought he would have an interest for the instrument as he plays the BAJO SEXTO but never took the time to learn so sold it to me at price I will not disclosed but was fair to me at that time. Remember this was my first Fender.... Didn't know there is such a craziness with origin of built, serial numbers, etc. I guess I never had to worry about those things since my inventory consists of an MTD 535 and a Lakland Darryl Jones 5. However, I discovered things in the Fender market are much crazier. I will say, that I have tried some really nice Fender basses at a boutique shop and preferred the Japanese made over the American time and time again..... Why, since some of you who paid a huge price for your American bass? Simply because TONE, PLAYABILITY, and AESTHETICS is subjective and to my ears the Japanese people provide much better sounding basses. Also, I never had setup issues with the ones I played.

Anyways, after the purchase I asked seller a few more questions, happy with the tone and look of the bass. He stated that he bought from a friend who works at the Corona Facility and won the bass in a Fender Christmas Party.

So, when I actually tried the bass at my church rehearsal it was my first Fender and first 4 string. I loved the looks and sound but my large hands couldn't get used to 4 strings. So I decided to sell.

I initially listed the bass on what I knew. But RaginRog and others asked me questions that prompted me to email and call Fender head quarters. RaginRog had me take additional photos of neck heel and heel pocket on body. RaginRog had no intention of buying the bass but was protecting potential buyers. I thanked him for that as I do not want to be considered a "scammer." I proceeded to email photos to Fender and at that point I was updating description of sale according to their responses. I even received communication from a Fender bass owner that if Fender found out about the prototype being sold by a Fender employee, that person could get into trouble.

Fender gave me their assumptions based on the pictures and I listed details accordingly. However, Fender fanatics could care less if about what Fender says if there are no serial numbers (learned the hard way).

What that said I have emailed and called Fender numerous times. The price and description was truly set by their responses. So, although they confirmed that the bass did have genuine Fender parts it would still be consider a FrakenFender to the Fender public.

I also took the bass for inspection to The Bass Place (www.thebassplace.com) and had owner Dennis and Lee take a look at the bass. They said the same thing, without serial numbers we can only conclude and validate some parts but not the neck. However, they said it did look like the '62 Reissue.

So between Fender responses and the bass place inspection here is how I well sell:

Item: Fender Select Prototype

Body: The body does not have a serial number as it is a prototype. It has darkrt shade than the Amber burst production models and the burst it does have is much slighter. The body is Alder.

Neck: The neck has been revealed to be of a 62' Reissue; however, it does not contain serial number to identify origin. Fender states that in that time frame of the time stamp in the picture the name Villalpando did inspect guitars and bass guitars. Upon inspection the neck does not have a finish. This is evident since the Fender decal held up against light reveals the edges of the decal. The nut was identical to the American models at the bass place. The frets are perfect and the rosewood on the fretboard is mint.

Bridge: The bridge was confirmed to be an American bridge by the bass place. It contains the option to string through body or use the conventional method.

Tuners: Fender Japanese Reverse Tuners

Pickups: Fender Select pickups. When comparing to other American models, the pickups are beefier than its counterparts. And from reviews that seems to be the consensus of the general public who own the Select Production model.

Overall: Serial numbers confirm the origin and authenticity of a bass. If you are a purist and enjoy bass selling (or worried about resale) more than enjoying quality gear, this bass is not for you. If you are about great tone, aesthetics, and playability but want at a cheaper price, you cannot go wrong buying this bass. You will turn the heads of people who spent 1.5-2k on their serialized Fender American's. Especially when you tell them the price you paid. Remember this is a passive bass.

RaginRog, I answered every question you asked and provided every picture you requested knowing you had zero intention to purchase the bass. A little disappointed how you kind of through me under the bus on this forum saying I'm full of crap. However, I understand how some people like you enjoy more the construction, origin, reviewing in youtube, and spending countless hours on forums talking about bass guitars. Me on the other hand, I enjoy playing basses that sound good and play good regardless of their origin. I purchase my guitars with intention that I am going to keep them. Not interested in sellling to acquire different gear and being a victim to GAS. I can't afford to do that since I have a family and honestly it can be a waste of time. Next time, tell me how you really feel rather than being a coward behind a forum. Would have respected you much more than I already had.

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Post subject: Re: Select Proto-type? Confirming USA or MIM/China neck?
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Post subject: Re: Select Proto-type? Confirming USA or MIM/China neck?
Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 2:37 pm
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MTD4Lyfe wrote:
I think this gentlemen should be able to provide an explanation and should be able to give his side of the story.

Wait, I am that person selling that bass.

I bought this bass guitar from a gentlemen in California who listed the guitar as a Fender Select Prototype. I received pictures, but since it was my first Fender bass, I didn't notice or ask any further question as the aesthetics of the bass sold me. Plus in the bass business, I buy for tone. I received a few sound samples and it was great. So I bought it.

The person I bought this bass from never played the bass guitar. He thought he would have an interest for the instrument as he plays the BAJO SEXTO but never took the time to learn so sold it to me at price I will not disclosed but was fair to me at that time. Remember this was my first Fender.... Didn't know there is such a craziness with origin of built, serial numbers, etc. I guess I never had to worry about those things since my inventory consists of an MTD 535 and a Lakland Darryl Jones 5. However, I discovered things in the Fender market are much crazier. I will say, that I have tried some really nice Fender basses at a boutique shop and preferred the Japanese made over the American time and time again..... Why, since some of you who paid a huge price for your American bass? Simply because TONE, PLAYABILITY, and AESTHETICS is subjective and to my ears the Japanese people provide much better sounding basses. Also, I never had setup issues with the ones I played.

Anyways, after the purchase I asked seller a few more questions, happy with the tone and look of the bass. He stated that he bought from a friend who works at the Corona Facility and won the bass in a Fender Christmas Party.

So, when I actually tried the bass at my church rehearsal it was my first Fender and first 4 string. I loved the looks and sound but my large hands couldn't get used to 4 strings. So I decided to sell.

I initially listed the bass on what I knew. But RaginRog and others asked me questions that prompted me to email and call Fender head quarters. RaginRog had me take additional photos of neck heel and heel pocket on body. RaginRog had no intention of buying the bass but was protecting potential buyers. I thanked him for that as I do not want to be considered a "scammer." I proceeded to email photos to Fender and at that point I was updating description of sale according to their responses. I even received communication from a Fender bass owner that if Fender found out about the prototype being sold by a Fender employee, that person could get into trouble.

Fender gave me their assumptions based on the pictures and I listed details accordingly. However, Fender fanatics could care less if about what Fender says if there are no serial numbers (learned the hard way).

What that said I have emailed and called Fender numerous times. The price and description was truly set by their responses. So, although they confirmed that the bass did have genuine Fender parts it would still be consider a FrakenFender to the Fender public.

I also took the bass for inspection to The Bass Place (http://www.thebassplace.com) and had owner Dennis and Lee take a look at the bass. They said the same thing, without serial numbers we can only conclude and validate some parts but not the neck. However, they said it did look like the '62 Reissue.

So between Fender responses and the bass place inspection here is how I well sell:

Item: Fender Select Prototype

Body: The body does not have a serial number as it is a prototype. It has darkrt shade than the Amber burst production models and the burst it does have is much slighter. The body is Alder.

Neck: The neck has been revealed to be of a 62' Reissue; however, it does not contain serial number to identify origin. Fender states that in that time frame of the time stamp in the picture the name Villalpando did inspect guitars and bass guitars. Upon inspection the neck does not have a finish. This is evident since the Fender decal held up against light reveals the edges of the decal. The nut was identical to the American models at the bass place. The frets are perfect and the rosewood on the fretboard is mint.

Bridge: The bridge was confirmed to be an American bridge by the bass place. It contains the option to string through body or use the conventional method.

Tuners: Fender Japanese Reverse Tuners

Pickups: Fender Select pickups. When comparing to other American models, the pickups are beefier than its counterparts. And from reviews that seems to be the consensus of the general public who own the Select Production model.

Overall: Serial numbers confirm the origin and authenticity of a bass. If you are a purist and enjoy bass selling (or worried about resale) more than enjoying quality gear, this bass is not for you. If you are about great tone, aesthetics, and playability but want at a cheaper price, you cannot go wrong buying this bass. You will turn the heads of people who spent 1.5-2k on their serialized Fender American's. Especially when you tell them the price you paid. Remember this is a passive bass.

RaginRog, I answered every question you asked and provided every picture you requested knowing you had zero intention to purchase the bass. A little disappointed how you kind of through me under the bus on this forum saying I'm full of crap. However, I understand how some people like you enjoy more the construction, origin, reviewing in youtube, and spending countless hours on forums talking about bass guitars. Me on the other hand, I enjoy playing basses that sound good and play good regardless of their origin. I purchase my guitars with intention that I am going to keep them. Not interested in sellling to acquire different gear and being a victim to GAS. I can't afford to do that since I have a family and honestly it can be a waste of time. Next time, tell me how you really feel rather than being a coward behind a forum. Would have respected you much more than I already had.

BTW, this bass does the job and WAY more!


Yeah, I called you out on your sale because you could never confirm the comments made by Fender, you still claim it's a Select prototype...which it could be...but without proof is nothing but your opinion/claim. I posted this thread here because I thought a Fender admin would see the post and either confirm your claim or discredit it. The silence on your TB post should tell you that others probably suspected the authenticity of your claim...or your price was extremely high for a bass that may not have a legitimate 62 reissue neck. It's the Internet, people are entitled to opine. I've also had friends that have been taken advantage of after making an online purchases, including myself. Your lack of knowledge on the instrument you were selling, extremely high price, and low post numbers led to my questioning your bass and posts.

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Post subject: Re: Select Proto-type? Confirming USA or MIM/China neck?
Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 2:58 pm
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Let's be clear. My original post which I deleted after TB begged for questions that needed to be answered. It had a grip of views (over 5k). I appreciate everyone that chimed in on TB, so I did not come out to be a scum bag. But corrected what I thought was initially true. I had several interests but was not going to sell until I could validate some more information about parts, etc.

Anyone interested in seriously purchasing the bass has received correspondences. Nothing to hide just not going provide extra work to people have no intent in purchasing. Even then after providing emails Fender fanatics are still hesitant which I completely understand.Fender provides such a huge market to different income levels that its necessary to serialize since most Fenders look alike.

Admittedly initially price point was high but I lowered accordingly after being informed by TB. However price point is subjective since tone, playability, aesthetics are all subjective. There are very high end bass priced very high and my old SR505 in my ears sounds better than most costing 10x as much.


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