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Post subject: Re: ANTIGUA JAZZ BASS SHIELDING AFFECTING VALUE
Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:23 am
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I think the grounding plate in a P bass may be a different type thing than a baseplate on a pickup. The baseplate I would assume has something to do with magnetizm. Otherwise - why put a piece of metal under a pickup other than to shield against hum?

I live in the Country and find that when I go into the City I am bothered by all the noise. I long for the sound of a nothing. I long for the sound of a cow, the wind, the birds. I'm not real hot on when the guy about a half mile away starts shooting his gun or setting off fireworks but ehh what the heck.


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Post subject: Re: ANTIGUA JAZZ BASS SHIELDING AFFECTING VALUE
Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 2:26 pm
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stroker vance wrote:
I why put a piece of metal under a pickup other than to shield against hum?

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Why ? To beeffed the pickups, not for shielding for sure . Read the answer I send yesterday everything is there.


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Post subject: Re: ANTIGUA JAZZ BASS SHIELDING AFFECTING VALUE
Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:08 pm
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To get back to the original question of affecting value, I changed the pickups, installed a chrome thumbrest, bridge cover and pickup cover, and even added faux abalone block "inlay" decals on my 2012 Antigua FSR Jazz Bass, and in my opinion it's more valuable now... It sounds better, and in my opinion looks better. It might be a limited color, but in all honesty, it's just a MIM Standard Jazz Bass. I seriously doubt it'll ever be worth even as much as you paid for it on the resale market, if you bought it new, if you adjust for inflation. I could be wrong, but that's my take on it. It's a standard, run-of-the-mill MIM bass that cost a little more because of a special finish, not a collector's dream bass you should worry about keeping in pristine mint condition. Shield it if you want to shield it, and play it like you love it, because you must love it... There are two kinds of people when it comes to Antigua finish Fenders. Those who love them, and those who hate them. If you hated them, you wouldn't have bought one... so do what you want to to yours to make it your own. I did, and I haven't looked back! :mrgreen:


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Post subject: Re: ANTIGUA JAZZ BASS SHIELDING AFFECTING VALUE
Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:50 am
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+1000 Macgyvercaster. " it's just a MIM Standard Jazz Bass."


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Post subject: Re: ANTIGUA JAZZ BASS SHIELDING AFFECTING VALUE
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:30 am
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stratele52 wrote:
The purpose of the base blate is a matter of tone not for shielding. But it help If grounded.

Read;
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Lindy Fralin Pickup; A Bass Plate is an option for the bridge position on ALNICO poled pickups which will give you 10% more bass without affecting the mids or highs.
http://www.fralinpickups.com/stratstyle.asp
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Beefing Up Single Coils ( From Premier Guitar Magazine )

.......In a nutshell, a baseplate is a piece of steel that attaches to the bottom of a Strat's bridge pickup, and is then treated to eliminate any microphonic feedback. It’s purpose is to fatten up the tone and attenuates the highs of the bridge pickup somewhat, much like the plate on vintage Telecasters. If you find your stock bridge pickup too bright, this may be the solution. In addition to boosting the lows, the mid-range frequencies also get a leg up, resulting in a fatter sound with more depth. In addition, a steel plate focus’ the pickup’s magnetic field toward the strings, adding more bite and presence..........

.......In addition to tonal enhancements, metal baseplates can provide extra shielding when connected to ground.

Read more:
http://www.premierguitar.com/Magazine/I ... Coils.aspx


Firstly this is a BASS forum. I know bass way way way better than strats or teles which seem to be your strong suite.

Secondly the bass baseplates were brass, not steel. They were for shielding, not "tonal" changes.

Third, I stand totally by the shielding improvement they yield on a BASS.

Apples and oranges.


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Post subject: Re: ANTIGUA JAZZ BASS SHIELDING AFFECTING VALUE
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:36 am
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The bass pickup baseplates were always grounded because they were for shielding. If they were for tonal modification why ground them? Further, why make them out of brass when the tonal baseplates are obviously made of steel?


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Post subject: Re: ANTIGUA JAZZ BASS SHIELDING AFFECTING VALUE
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:08 am
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The baseplates used on Fender basses were solid brass. Brass like aluminum has a relative permeability of one, or the same as air. Brass is a good conductor of electricity but being truly non-ferrous it does not react in any way with the magnetic field of the pickup. While copper is conductive but very slightly diamagnetic brass is non-ferrous and does not react to nor impact a magnetic field in any regard. Those brass bass pickup grounding plates were for shielding alone and were actually wired into the ground circuit of the basses they were put into by Leo Fender.


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Post subject: Re: ANTIGUA JAZZ BASS SHIELDING AFFECTING VALUE
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:54 am
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stratele52 wrote:
stroker vance wrote:
I why put a piece of metal under a pickup other than to shield against hum?

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Why ? To beeffed the pickups, not for shielding for sure . Read the answer I send yesterday everything is there.


No argument that for a Stratocaster a steel baseplate under the bridge pickup modifies the tone. However the referenced information you posted is not relevant at all to the brass shielding baseplates in Fender basses. Two completely different things! :lol:


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Post subject: Re: ANTIGUA JAZZ BASS SHIELDING AFFECTING VALUE
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:36 am
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Brotherdave write ;

" However the referenced information you posted is not relevant at all to the brass shielding baseplates in Fender basses. Two completely different things! "

Sorry I don't understand it is two different thing. Pickups is a pickups no ?


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Post subject: Re: ANTIGUA JAZZ BASS SHIELDING AFFECTING VALUE
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:16 pm
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stratele52 wrote:
Brotherdave write ;

" However the referenced information you posted is not relevant at all to the brass shielding baseplates in Fender basses. Two completely different things! "

Sorry I don't understand it is two different thing. Pickups is a pickups no ?


Let me simplify. The materials are different.

The bass shielding plates are BRASS. Brass is a non-ferrous metal that has no impact upon a magnetic field nor does the magnetic field impact the plates in any regard. Brass has the same magnetic permeability as the air you breathe which is the standard permeability factor expressed as a permeability factor of 1.

The Stratocaster baseplates referenced in the links you posted are STEEL which is a ferrous metal with a magnetic permeability factor of 100 which means it is highly reactive to a magnetic field and can actually become magnetized.

That is two quite different materials and the links you posted are relevant only to the steel tonal baseplates in Strats and not relevant at all to the brass shielding plates in a Fender bass. Brass and steel are different materials and were put where they were for entirely different purposes.


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Post subject: Re: ANTIGUA JAZZ BASS SHIELDING AFFECTING VALUE
Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:02 pm
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So a brass plate in the pickup cavity of a P or J bass with a ground wire coming off of it IS for shielding purposes NOT tonal purposes. That ends that. That's what I referred to all along .

I had never heard of a steel plate under a strat bridge pickup and I do believe they or whoever did or have put that under a stat bridge pickup and that's okay. I have 3 Strats and they don't have that plate. That doesn't mean anything I know but it's just a fact.

For a guy like me who can't or doesn't keep up completely on every Fender nuance - it's nice to know Bro Dave is around to help out and he always words his posts in such a way as to present the facts from a non biased position . I appreciate that and I'm sure everybody does AND it's just easy to know what is exactly what once he gets on a subject and hashes it out for us. It's never a thing where he's wrong or right- it's just the facts 'Mam.

Dave does have his own opinions too but he doesn't use them to persuade anyone to do anything unless they ask him to. And no I don't want "Brother Dave for President"- that would mean he wouldn't have time to come here and straighten things out.

The man is a machine !!!!!


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Post subject: Re: ANTIGUA JAZZ BASS SHIELDING AFFECTING VALUE
Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:37 pm
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Thanks Stoker for your kind words. I am not always right but when I'm wrong I'll freely admit it and become a better person for the learning experience. I have learned more from mistakes than most as I have frequently been totally wrong. However not this time.


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