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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe Jazz - Noise and Hum
Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 9:07 am
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Yes I read your post yesterday, so that had me researching the MXR M80 DI yesterday afternoon. I think a noise gate would be quite helpful. (and I also fell in love with the rest of MXR's bass pedal offerings)

In my bedroom, I use my practice amp, a Roland Cube 40xl, with a 6ft Monster Cable. In my basement, I have a 125w solid state SWR combo amp from a few years back. I've been using that one lately with a pack-in cable from one of my Fender guitars, just a standard 6ft Fender cable.

My family's house was built in '92. Only getting about 20 years old about now. I have to see if I can replicate the issue anywhere else. The lamp that's giving me this issue has some type of energy-efficient bulb, so I wonder if that might have anything to do with it.

I do understand that it's a bit of a give-and-take with single-coil pickups, but I'm kind of frustrated because there's still hum when the pickups are balanced (it's my understanding that most J Basses are RW/RP so they will be noise cancelling in the center). I'd like to have at least one escape route if things got particularly hairy. When I play my Strat through the same rig, positions 2 and 4 are clear as a bell.

I believe my hum is not affected by taking my hands on and off the strings. If the strings are dead silent and I'm touching them, it has the same sizzle as if I weren't touching them. I'll have to do a little more experimenting once I get back home, just to confirm this.


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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe Jazz - Noise and Hum
Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 9:16 am
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And yes I saw Brother Dave's posts. Loaded with information! I was thinking I'd test the waters before I got into the nitty-gritty of shielding. I'm afraid to do work on such a great bass.


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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe Jazz - Noise and Hum
Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 9:32 am
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WOW! You have some nice gear,.....My main amp is also an SWR (I have a Headlite & Amplite coupled with an SWR Goliath Jr. 2x10 & an SWR Workingpro 4x10....both cabs are 4ohms) MXR is my pedal of choice ....besides having the M80 Bass DI I also use the Customshop '74 Vintage Phase 90, M87 Bass Compressor, M288 Bass Octave Deluxe & the M82 Envelope filter........All Great sounding & are easy to use.
I have another suggestion for you, why don't you sent an email to Fender Customer service telling them your issue, include the bass' seriel number & ask if it's one of the basses that were part of the recall ( Fender did a recall on one of the pickups on the American Deluxe Basses ....I think it was the Bridge pickup)
anyway if it's part of the recall they'll have you take your bass to a Fender dealer to get it repaired on their dime.......hope this helps. :)


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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe Jazz - Noise and Hum
Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 9:40 am
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One final piece of advice .......... have a qualified Fender Tech work on & do any major repairs on your bass especially if it's still under warranty.....doing your own work especially if you're not confident in what you're doing will void your warranty.


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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe Jazz - Noise and Hum
Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:06 am
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Haha thank you very much! And I've got to say, your gear is pretty heavy duty. More so than mine. The MXR Compressor, Octave, Envelope, and Fuzz all made it onto my imaginary X-mas wishlist yesterday. I've been meaning to get a bass pedalboard going for a while now and I think those will be really prominent in my rig in the future.

I emailed consumerrelations@fender.com with my issue this morning and have yet to hear back. I also emailed my Sweetwater rep (who helped me with the purchase) and he responded right away, saying that he is alerting the techs over there. He said a tech should contact me soon (it's tough being the day before Thanksgiving; I won't hold it against them if they can't get to me before next week).

You're exactly right, I've avoided opening the bass at all because I didn't want to risk voiding the warranty.

The serial is US12063762. Is there any way of finding out on my own if it was recalled?

And thanks for all your advice, James (and all those who replied). The Fender Lounge is a great place filled with cool people.


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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe Jazz - Noise and Hum
Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:30 pm
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What I'd do is get a parametric EQ and cut the 60hz range and leave everything else alone. That should help alleviate hum and help you keep the tone that you love so much. If you know how to use a parametric EQ it should help you get a good tone no matter what room you are in.

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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe Jazz - Noise and Hum
Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:39 pm
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Rev J-

Thanks for the advice! Would you have a recommendation for any specific EQ I should check out?


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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe Jazz - Noise and Hum
Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 2:00 pm
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Rossome wrote:
Rev J-

Thanks for the advice! Would you have a recommendation for any specific EQ I should check out?


I don't know any specifics of hand. Eventually I'm going to get around to building a rig and going with what I can afford at the time. Most parametrics are rack mount though I know that Boss used to make a pedal one.

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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe Jazz - Noise and Hum
Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 10:45 pm
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Thanks for the kind words regarding my rig & set up Rossome, there's been many hours of hard work to get the $$$$ together to make it happen...... I was using a Fender Bassman Combo 150 before I upgraded to my current SWR set up (& I used a 100watt Peavey Combo with a 15" speaker for a couple of decades before that) ... I also used to use a Boss ME20B multi effects unit before I got my current MXR pedals.............I had a hard time wrapping my head around the ME20B...I ended up selling it last year as I think the old school analog pedal route is the best way to go. (my next MXR purchase is probably going to be the MXR M148 Micro Chorus........it sounds great used with a fretless bass)
Speaking of MXR & EQ's you may want to try the MXR M108 10 band Graphic EQ, it's gotten good reviews & is affordable...check out the Link http://www.jimdunlop.com/product/m108-1 ... graphic-eq


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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe Jazz - Noise and Hum
Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:20 am
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James-

You're really opening my eyes to MXR's offerings, man. Are you sure you don't work for them? Haha, just kidding.

That 10-band eq looks perfect for tweaking my sound, but none of the frequencies are factors of 60hz. A quick and dirty Googling makes it seem as though eliminating a frequency at a factor of 60hz would eliminate the hum. (I know next to nothing on the subject though, so I could have interpreted that incorrectly.)

I think what I could do, in case I get bad hum, is carry an EH Hum Debugger with me to put in front of my pedal board. I have been reading some reviews that make it sound like it's really effective, though it might color the sound a little bit. I could keep the MXR EQ on my board (because I think it would be great all the time) and I could use that to take any coloration out of my tone from the Debugger, if that's being used. Either way, I think that EQ is making it into my rig.

Hopefully the combo of those two things could battle any really bad hum. I don't have a backup bass I'd be comfortable gigging with, so I want to make the Jazz work. That, and it's so much damn fun to play- I wouldn't want to gig with anything else.

I'm still waiting on word back from Sweetwater's techs, so maybe if they can suggest some fixes, or do some shielding, perhaps.

Happy Thanksgiving to everyone! Hope your holidays all went well.


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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe Jazz - Noise and Hum
Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:08 am
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HAHAHA!!! :lol: no I don't work for MXR (wish I did... I'd also love a job at Fender) anyway as I said in my last post I was using a Boss ME20-B for a few years & it just wasn't my bag.....I thought I was ahead of the game & that having all these programable sounds in a pedal was the way to go & in theory it is but I also found it to be a bit of a hastle......I'm also an old school player, I find it easier to just click on the pedal for the sound I need. & at the end of the day ( & some people may debate me on this) I think individual pedals especially the newer ones from MXR & EBS that are made with bassists in mind sound better & are awesome,
I did a lot of research before I bought each pedal & I decided to go with MXR (EBS pedals would be my second choice, ...the only strike against them is that I think they're a little over priced.)

With regard to EQ's & getting one that would help eliminate hum at 60hz......I'm not an EQ expert but I believe the MXR Graphic EQ has a 62 hz leveler I think that would be pretty much the same as a 60hz leveler........Brother Dave, Stroker Vance or Rev J would be better to confirm this than I would.
Do you ever go to the http://www.talkbass.com boards there's alot of cool info there & reviews & comparisons of all things that are Bass & Bass related..... :)


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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe Jazz - Noise and Hum
Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 11:18 am
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James Coderre wrote:
HAHAHA!!! :lol: no I don't work for MXR (wish I did... I'd also love a job at Fender) anyway as I said in my last post I was using a Boss ME20-B for a few years & it just wasn't my bag.....I thought I was ahead of the game & that having all these programable sounds in a pedal was the way to go & in theory it is but I also found it to be a bit of a hastle......I'm also an old school player, I find it easier to just click on the pedal for the sound I need. & at the end of the day ( & some people may debate me on this) I think individual pedals especially the newer ones from MXR & EBS that are made with bassists in mind sound better & are awesome,
I did a lot of research before I bought each pedal & I decided to go with MXR (EBS pedals would be my second choice, ...the only strike against them is that I think they're a little over priced.)

With regard to EQ's & getting one that would help eliminate hum at 60hz......I'm not an EQ expert but I believe the MXR Graphic EQ has a 62 hz leveler I think that would be pretty much the same as a 60hz leveler........Brother Dave, Stroker Vance or Rev J would be better to confirm this than I would.
Do you ever go to the http://www.talkbass.com boards there's alot of cool info there & reviews & comparisons of all things that are Bass & Bass related..... :)


I'm the same way about programmable units. Every one that I've tried out only seem to have 2 sounds that I'd use and to spend that much money on a piece of gear for only 2 sounds to me is kind of ridiculous.

About the Graphic vs. Parametric EQ debate. I currently have the Boss Graphic in my pedalboard and it is ok. A graphic EQ has sliders that are centered at different frequencies that effect frequencies to either side (higher and lower) of that particular frequency. So if you have a problem with 60hz hum then you have to adjust the slider that is closest to 60hz so you'll get rid of the hum but also some frequencies around it that you may want.

A parametric even though it sounds more complicated gives you more control. You have 3 knobs for each frequency range. One knob is boost/cut, one is frequency, and one is bandwidth. Using it is kind of like audio target practice. Turn up the boost/cut knob and turn the frequency knob until the hum is noticeable, then turn the bandwidth down until it gets really obnoxious. Then turn the boost cut knob down until it disappears. This also makes it a better choice to compensate for room acoustics (there is no such thing as a room with "Flat" frequency response). The downside of a parametric EQ is the size. I only ever remember seeing one parametric EQ pedal and that was years ago. If you get a Parametric EQ it will have to be rack mount and you'll have to run it through your amps effects loop.

Also I'm kind of old fashioned when it comes to gear. I'm not a fan of sonically "Transparent" stuff. I like the concept of choosing gear that compliments each other and creates the sound that you want as opposed to picking gear that allegedly won't "Color" your sound. If you ever go into a professional recording studio to record from the decision of which mike they are going to use, to mic placement to what outboard gear they are going to use, to what room that they are going to record you in are all based on how these factors are going to "Color" your sound. That Hum Debugger is going to color your sound, but so are the body wood, pick ups, and electronics of your bass. The effects you run through, the tone section of your amp, your choice of amp and the speaker that you run through. So the decision about the Hum Debugger is this: Is it going to color your tone in a flattering way?

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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe Jazz - Noise and Hum
Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 4:51 pm
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Thanks for the EQ info Rev J & thanks for commenting on the Hum debugger, I feel the same way about them & forgot to include my opinion of them in my last post.


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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe Jazz - Noise and Hum
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:11 pm
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I had the SAME ISSUE with my 2009 ADJ-V.

My luthier did the shielding but then found out that the signal wires have been incorrectly grounded and THAT is what caused the buzz. How Fender QC has allowed these high-end/high priced "deluxe" models to get shipped with this glaring imperfection is completely beyond me. Very disappointed with Fender's quality on this bass. :( :evil:


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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe Jazz - Noise and Hum
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:10 pm
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english4bw wrote:
I had the SAME ISSUE with my 2009 ADJ-V. My luthier did the shielding but then found out that the signal wires have been incorrectly grounded and THAT is what caused the buzz. How Fender QC has allowed these high-end/high priced "deluxe" models to get shipped with this glaring imperfection is completely beyond me. Very disappointed with


Wow unreal,..... :?


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