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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe Jazz - Noise and Hum
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 8:27 am
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Jah I can't say how much money I've saved doing my own setups. As long as you don't gorilla your guitar it'll be fine. Here is a super cool pdf from Jerzy Drozd:
http://www.jerzydrozdbasses.com/ultimat ... setup.html

Free and like 60 pages of more than you ever want to know about set up. Very very cool.

Another cool must have is this oldy:
http://www.amazon.com/Guitar-Electronic ... 129&sr=8-1

The daddy of modding and shielding guides. From the early 1980's but guitars haven't changed too much since.


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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe Jazz - Noise and Hum
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 8:58 am
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Thanks for the links....


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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe Jazz - Noise and Hum
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:46 pm
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I don't see how a tech can do a proper copper shielding to ground job for $50.

In order for the copper shielding to ground be as effective as possible you have to take the pickguard off and copper shield the back of it. Cutting this copper takes a while as I like to use a single large piece of copper bigger than the pickguard and cut it to the shape of the guard. Remove pickups and fully copper line both pickup cavities. Stop the copper just below the lip of the bridge pickup cavity so it won't show. Remove control plate and fully line the control cavity and any wiring channels you can access. Run ground wire to the bridge pickup cavity and solder it to the copper shielding on both ends. Ground the copper shielding in the control cavity, usually on an active I'd use the ground terminal on the jack. The pots will serve as a ground also, but I prefer to use a wire as well for maximum connectivity to ground. Put one bead of solder on every copper tape seam to maximize connectivity because the adhesive does have some resistance in it and I often have to use bits and pieces of tape to cover a pickup cavity due the shape. Make sure the copper shielding tape overlaps the edge of control cavity and the neck pickup cavity so it will make contact with the copper on the back of the pickguard when the pickguard is reinstalled. Loosen bridge, secure bridge ground wire to a bridge screw, re-tighten all bridge screws. Reassemble. Finally, take an Ohm meter and check connectivity of the shield to ground circuit everywhere you put copper shielding which means check between the bridge and each pickup cavity plus the control plate and correct any deficiency. That is the basic shielding job which takes me at least 4 to 6 hours. On top of that you may add the bridge and pickup covers and ground those as well which is about another 30 minutes to an hour. I wouldn't touch a shielding job for $50. I'm just wondering what kind of shielding job they do for $50. Some shielding is better than none, but the best way to do it is to thoroughly shield everything but the front of the pickups.

The recommended books are great. Doing your own setup looks easy on paper but in real life not so easy. I suggest buying a cheap clone/knockoff and practicing on that. That way if you mess up and trash the neck, no tragic loss. Go on eBay and find an SX or Jay Turser clone and use that as your guinea pig or lab frog, whatever you want to call it.

I can do a setup but there is a tech I know who can set one up much better than I can because he does setups constantly. There is no substitute for experience in doing a setup. He charges $75 and it is worth it to me.


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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe Jazz - Noise and Hum
Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 5:53 am
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I don't see how a tech can do a proper copper shielding to ground job for $50.

The recommended books are great. Doing your own setup looks easy on paper but in real life not so easy. I suggest buying a cheap clone/knockoff and practicing on that. That way if you mess up and trash the neck, no tragic loss. Go on eBay and find an SX or Jay Turser clone and use that as your guinea pig or lab frog, whatever you want to call it.

I can do a setup but there is a tech I know who can set one up much better than I can because he does setups constantly. There is no substitute for experience in doing a setup. He charges $75 and it is worth it to me.


+1 on that Brother Dave.

I did shield a couple of my bass guitars and you're right; I'm thinking over a $100 in labor alone. The most affordable set up I've found is $50 and he's really great, just quick so he can give a good price. I'm sure he'd charge $150 at least for a shielding job.

I learned the hard way about truss-rods and soldering back in the 80's as a dumb teen with my first J bass, an '83. I de-fretted and epoxied it too ( I had the August 1984 Guitar Player magazine with Jaco on the cover. I live in Florida so I was able to easily find a boat store that carried Petit Polly Poxy like Jaco used). What a mess. No internet back then and at 17 the idea of buying a bunch of manuals seemed like a waste of money. Like I said...dumb.


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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe Jazz - Noise and Hum
Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:02 am
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I deal with the same Vancouver Music store that girlonbass does.
www.long-mcquade.com this is a very reputable Canaidian chain of music stores.
They usually give you your first set up free on new instruments & then will charge $30.00 plus tax per basic set up on a bass or guitar.

I'm not sure why they're charging $50.00 to remedy her bass issue? I'm guessing it's work that's being done under warrenty & the $50 is for the materials that are going to be used (only she knows).
LOng & McQuade will fix the bass to remedy the problem but I doubt they'll go the full shielding route in all the cavities unless it was requested.

But who knows?? I know when I bring my Jaco bass in to get checked out regarding my pickup issue it will probably end up being more than $50.00 especially if they end up changing the pots or bridge pickup.

I will be asking them how much they charge to shield a bass & whats their method?(because of this thread)
Stay tuned!! :)


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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe Jazz - Noise and Hum
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 3:44 am
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I've never heard anything bad about Long & McQuade. Here in USA Guitar Center might could learn a thing or two from them.


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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe Jazz - Noise and Hum
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 7:43 am
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Here in Canada the 2 major music stores are Tom Lee music & Long & McQuade.
I prefer Long & McQuade, their customer service & techs are exceptionable, every boxing day they have their don't pay for 90 days event, (where I just Pick up an MXR M80 DI plus)

I'm not sure if Guitar center does this but if you've bought items on credit in the past & have paid them off,..... you've then got no problem walking into the store & walking out with a bass or other instument or amp that you pay off with a monthly fee over 12 months......... the downtown Vancouver store is my favorite location, they've got a separate bass guitar department, the guitar department ( as you walk in the door is hugh)!! & the upstairs is set up with grand piano's, brass & woodwing instruments, & string instruments (I like to mess around with the double basses.. :D )

I love the communitey feel in there, ..it's always buzzing with activity.


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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe Jazz - Noise and Hum
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 5:49 pm
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My only gripe with Long & McQuade is that they are becoming the only show in town. Years ago they were just one of many stores in Vancouver. There are only a few small stores left in town plus Tom Lee Music. Some of the small stores are being bought by L&M over time. The rest are simply going under. It's not good to have a monopoly.

That said, L&M makes is so easy to walk in for strings or picks and leave with an instrument. They have great people and easy financing. Jean at the Terminal store knows me pretty well and knows that I bring a lot of business to the store. The guitar tech and I talked for a long time and I'm comfortable he knows his stuff. If they are going cheap on the repair, it may be that they are absorbing the cost just because its good customer service.

That said I'm still waiting to hear back from him. :?

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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:43 pm
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The guys in the Bass Dept. at the Termminal Street Long & McQuade do know their stuff & like yourself it's happened to me a few times where I walked in to buy strings or new cables & have walked out with a Bass guitar or effects pedal, I think they're pretty good to their regulars, & I think Jean is just a good guy over all.

That being said they are becoming a monopoly here in Vancouver (I think there's 8 or 10 stores in a 2 hour radius of the Vancouver area but this is a sign of the times as Sam Ash & Guitar Center are doing the samething in the States (as far as I know) & what a great vibe there is at the Termminal street store, when you go up stairs to where the band instuments are you can also see kids getting music lessons on various instruments,
The guitar department is hugh & I think their Bass guitar department is the best is the city bar none........lots of choice's & good service,...makes you feel like you're visiting friends.


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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe Jazz - Noise and Hum
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:17 am
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That being said they are becoming a monopoly here in Vancouver (I think there's 8 or 10 stores in a 2 hour radius of the Vancouver area but this is a sign of the times as Sam Ash & Guitar Center are doing the same thing in the States (as far as I know)


Jah. you're right. I hate seeing the little guitar store run by a repair guy or player go out of business. At least it sounds like you both have a great relationship over there. A monopoly is never a good thing; I remember how all the mom and pop video stores had all these great titles and hundreds of concert videos and they were all absorbed by Blockbuster. Try and find a Frank Zappa or Joni Mitchell flick there. Though they got theirs from the Netflix bunch!


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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe Jazz - Noise and Hum
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:17 am
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I remember when I was a kid (in Montreal) it was the late 1970's & every day while walking down the main street in my neighborhood some friends & I used to always momentarily stop in from of the local mom & pop music store & stare in the window or walk in & take a quick look around in awe at all the cool stuff they had.
I bought my first bass from them, it was & Eldegas Percision bass replica (white with black pickguars & maple neck & pick guard.)

In the last 15 years the mom & pop shops have surely been dying off, & monopolies are being created........Actually speaking of big business & greed... in early December I walked into a Future Shop (they're a Canadian chain of stores that sells electronics, computers, appliances,TV & stereo's etc) Anyway I was floored to see that they now sell musical equiptment...it didn't sit right with me for a few moments & I'm still not sure if it does as I always though of these guys as a greedy operation, most of the guitars & basses that theses guys had were Squier's & MIM Fenders, they has a couple of Spectors & that was pretty much it but yeah All I kept thinking was you gotta be kidding...

For those who don't know Long & McQuade's history, they started out in Toronto in the 1956, at the corner of Young Street & Yorkville street,.. Long had sold band equiptment & McQuade gave drum lessons, a few years later a guy named Pete Traynor was hired to make Bass & guitar amps & cabinets because there was a growing as we hit the early 1960's........this part of the company became Yorkville sound, makers of guitar & Bass Amps, cables & instrument cases..etc
& they're the makers of the Traynor line of Amps & P.A. Equiptment ( I'm not sure how know this brand is outside of Canada?


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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe Jazz - Noise and Hum
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:23 am
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Oooops! typo on my part,in my last post I meant to say ( I'm not sure how known or popular the Yorkville or Traynor brand is outside of Canada)


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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:25 am
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Yep that brand, Yorkville and Traynor, is the same down here. I never realized they were from up North of here.
Actually I am trying to get a 6x10 cab and the Yorkville reviewed very well.

Our Best Buy has done the same thing, crappy keyboards and plywood guitars.


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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe Jazz - Noise and Hum
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:18 am
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We have Best Buy in Canada too & get this, they also own Future Shop...Crazy!!
The Yorkville & Traynor stuff has gotten better over the years, ...back in the day (1970's) they were kinda known as a low end brand or the amp you bought when learning how to play..I'm not sure if their Amps & P.A.'s are still made in Canada or are out sourced?

If you're looking for a traynor why don't you just buy it from Long & McQuade's website www.long-mcquade.com & have them ship it to you? or try musicians friend.
I've bought Yorkville guitar cases for a couple of MIJ Jazz basses I have (never felt confident with the supplied gig bags & I'm old school....(it's gotta have a case..lol)
Anyway Yorkville cases are as good as Fender cases, they look identacle minus the Fender logo.


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Post subject: Re: American Deluxe Jazz - Noise and Hum
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:27 am
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I just took a quick look at the Traynor's on L&M website & it looks like they're still made in Canada...


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