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Post subject: Re: Fender American Deluxe Jazz Bass.
Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:34 pm
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One of our bass players at church just got a (used) Jazz V 24. Sweet bass.


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It most certainly is........... :mrgreen: 8)

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I have another question. I was wondering if I got the Jazz Bass 24, could I just grab the pickups, preamp, pots and knobs from the USA Deluxe Jazz and just install it into the 24? That way I can have what I like about the USA Deluxe Jazz inside the body off the 24 Jazz.


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Despite the complaints about the Jazz 24, I think this bass might be a real winner for me although some work needs to be done to it to incorporate what I like about the USA deluxe jazz into this bass. Another feature I really like about the Jazz 24 is the way the controls are set out. It's not all crammed up like the traditional Jazzes. So what I'm planning to do if I do get this bass is just switch out all the electronics and replace them with the USA Deluxe Jazz electronics and pickups, get a double battery box installed and replace the mid slap switch with the active/passive toggle. Maybe I might put a badass or a HMV bridge. I may also need to add a pickguard as I am primarily a pick player, but I can use my fingers as well. How does that all sound?


The pups that come with the bass are actually pretty nice.. You might want to just do the pre first.. The bridge is also a high mass bridge.. If you do get one then I suggest doing just the pre first..

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Just thought I'd mention that my friend's Deluxe 24 was retrofitted with J-Retro preamp.

Which J Retro preamp is he using? The preamps seem to only fit the Jazzes with the controls in the traditional location.


Specs on stock bass & pre
Fender Deluxe Jazz Bass 24 V 5-String Bass
John East U Retro Deluxe


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Post subject: Re: Fender American Deluxe Jazz Bass.
Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:00 pm
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The John East preamps sound real nice. They're so expensive though. =S


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Post subject: Re: Fender American Deluxe Jazz Bass.
Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:25 pm
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adam266001 wrote:
The John East preamps sound real nice. They're so expensive though. =S


Well you don't have to go there... the Aggie's are pretty nice too.. but consider if you were to buy new pups and a preamp.. say an Aggies or Barts.. You would be spending almost that ... I had never heard of John East preamps before this.. so I lucked out in that the bass came with this .... but from what the original owner told me even the stock pre did not sound bad... Your biggest problem may be finding one..


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Post subject: Re: Fender American Deluxe Jazz Bass.
Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 11:37 pm
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Well you don't have to go there... the Aggie's are pretty nice too.. but consider if you were to buy new pups and a preamp.. say an Aggies or Barts.. You would be spending almost that ... I had never heard of John East preamps before this.. so I lucked out in that the bass came with this .... but from what the original owner told me even the stock pre did not sound bad... Your biggest problem may be finding one..


I'd be happy with getting the USA Deluxe Jazz's preamp as its cheaper and it sounds pretty decent. The main thing in it for me is the active/passive toggle. You're right about my biggest problem being finding a Jazz 24. Rare things these days.


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Post subject: Re: Fender American Deluxe Jazz Bass.
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 6:04 am
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The pictured bass has two mini switches, the slap-cut which is stock on the instrument and another one for the active/passive mode.

Keep in mind that post-2010 USA Deluxes feature an additional passive tone control which works when the 2-way toggle selector is set to "passive" mode. These features are not present on the pre-2010 Deluxes, which are 100% active, though I believe Fender sells the new active/passive circuitry as an upgrade kit for the pre-2010 Deluxe basses.

Although the 2-octave Jazzes are now discontinued, I suspect only a very few of these basses were sold with an optional maple fingerboard, even with the rosewood neck offered as a standard feature.


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Post subject: Re: Fender American Deluxe Jazz Bass.
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:36 pm
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Although the 2-octave Jazzes are now discontinued, I suspect only a very few of these basses were sold with an optional maple fingerboard, even with the rosewood neck offered as a standard feature.


Just out of curiosity, would it be possilbe to take of the rosewood fret board on the neck and replace it with maple?


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Post subject: Re: Fender American Deluxe Jazz Bass.
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 7:04 pm
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Yes, and only a professional luthier can do this job. My old Yamaha RBX350 has a maple-cap neck with a glossy laminated birdseye maple fretboard. I exchanged the RBX350 for an Epiphone Explorer Bass due to issues with the truss rod.

In that case the fretboard is made up from a separate laminated piece of maple glued into the neck. CBS did a batch of "maple-cap" guitars and basses in 1966 before the return of the 1-piece maple neck three years later.

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Post subject: Re: Fender American Deluxe Jazz Bass.
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 7:24 pm
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The pictured bass has two mini switches, the slap-cut which is stock on the instrument and another one for the active/passive mode.
Keep in mind that post-2010 USA Deluxes feature an additional passive tone control which works when the 2-way toggle selector is set to "passive" mode. These features are not present on the pre-2010 Deluxes, which are 100% active, though I believe Fender sells the new active/passive circuitry as an upgrade kit for the pre-2010 Deluxe basses.
Although the 2-octave Jazzes are now discontinued, I suspect only a very few of these basses were sold with an optional maple fingerboard, even with the rosewood neck offered as a standard feature.



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Actually the original stock configuration of my bass was as pictured above. It only had one switch which switched from active to passive.. Master Volume, Pan Pot and a 3-Band Active EQ.

The other switch was added with the U Retro and the controls were changed dramatically.

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VOLUME & BLEND
VOLUME
The upper knob is the Volume which has two sections under the same knob. A high impedance for the passive path and a low impedance section is used for the active circuitry. When used active, this knob has active circuitry after it so that the feed to your amplifier is a low impedance drive.

The lower outer knob is the Blend balance for the pickups. Turn it fully clockwise for the neck pickup alone and fully anti-clockwise for the bridge pickup. The midway position, which has an indent, gives an equal mix of both pickups. The balance between the pickups is continuously variable with progressive level compensation towards the single pickup settings.

BASS & TREBLE
TREBLE (+12dB @ 3 kHz, -12dB @ 1kHz)
The upper knob is the Treble control with boost and cut. The central 'flat' position is indented. The cut settings work on lower frequencies compared to boost to give a deeper sound when the top is rolled off.
BRIGHT (+8dB @ 7kHz)
Pull the Treble knob for the Bright setting.
BASS (+15dB @ 50Hz)
The lower outer knob is the boost only Bass control. The frequency band of boost gets progressively lower as the boost is increased. An indent midway is included to aid the setting of this control.

MID LEVEL & FREQUENCY
BOOST/CUT (+/- 12dB)
The upper knob controls the amount of Mid boost or cut at frequencies according to the setting of the Frequency knob. The midway indent is the 'flat' position.
FREQUENCY (150Hz - 3kHz)
The lower outer knob is continuously variable and sets the Mid frequencies for boost or cut.

PASSIVE TONE
The passive tone pot consists of two sections, one for each pickup. Two sections are necessary since the pickup signals are kept separate and fed to their own individual input amplifiers prior to the electronic blend circuitry.
To retain the characteristics of a true passive tone, its circuitry is connected directly to the pickups at all times and therefore function in both active and passive modes. The roll-off frequency is set to give a deep mellow sound.

ACTIVE PASSIVE SWITCH
Towards the jack for active, the opposite for passive.

PICKUPS SW
In active mode the switch switches control for the pick ups from the blend knob setting or both pickups at equal setting where the blend knob has no effect.

In passive mode the switch will go from either both pickups or the bridge pickup alone.

In passive mode the only controls that function are the volume, passive tone and the pickup control switch.

Needless to say the tones I can get out of this bass just by tweaking it can go from a bright Weather Report Jaco esque burpiness (minus of course the nuances and musicianship that Jaco put in his playing .. :lol: ), to a raw kind of Graham type of sound, to an 80s GAP type of sound.. and all this is without fiddling with my amp.. with everything flat. When I start messing with the amp then it gets really interesting. This bass is so comfortable for me to play, the string spacing, the neck size, the weight.. I just put some Fat Beams on it.. and I am just too thrilled about it. It is a keeper for me and it may very well be the last bass I buy for a long time unless I come into some money or find something that really just floors me, but I am kind of funny that way... It is hard for me to get bus so deep into a bass that is not mine.. I may like it, but I wont start gassing for it right off. I played some pretty nice high end basses.. and they were nice to play.. but none of them moved me like this one. Not even my beloved SSS5.


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Post subject: Re: Fender American Deluxe Jazz Bass.
Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 1:43 am
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It only had one switch which switched from active to passive..


The switch you're talking about is not an active/passive selector. It's a special "Mid Scoop" switch which notches out the mid frequencies, which is perfect for thumb style slapping and popping. Active and passive modes can be selected via the master volume knob which is a push-pull pot.


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Post subject: Re: Fender American Deluxe Jazz Bass.
Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 1:56 am
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b]ACTIVE PASSIVE SWITCH[/b]
Towards the jack for active, the opposite for passive.

PICKUPS SW
In active mode the switch switches control for the pick ups from the blend knob setting or both pickups at equal setting where the blend knob has no effect.


I'm just wondering, would it be possible to get a U-Retro preamp without the pickup switch? I'm not really into the idea of having to drill another hole into the bass.


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Post subject: Re: Fender American Deluxe Jazz Bass.
Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:44 am
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chromeface wrote:
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It only had one switch which switched from active to passive..


The switch you're talking about is not an active/passive selector. It's a special "Mid Scoop" switch which notches out the mid frequencies, which is perfect for thumb style slapping and popping. Active and passive modes can be selected via the master volume knob which is a push-pull pot.


Ahh gotcha..


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ACTIVE PASSIVE SWITCH
Towards the jack for active, the opposite for passive.

PICKUPS SW
In active mode the switch switches control for the pick ups from the blend knob setting or both pickups at equal setting where the blend knob has no effect.


I'm just wondering, would it be possible to get a U-Retro preamp without the pickup switch? I'm not really into the idea of having to drill another hole into the bass.


Here's the link to the Best Bass Gear site where I got that info from. They have other preamps there as well..


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Post subject: Re: Fender American Deluxe Jazz Bass.
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 2:37 am
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I was just curious about what kind of preamp the Victor Bailey Jazz has. It's a real nice looking bass.


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Post subject: Re: Fender American Deluxe Jazz Bass.
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:19 am
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Basically the same as the pre-2010 American Deluxes but with a few tweaks tailored to the artist's exacting specs.


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Post subject: Re: Fender American Deluxe Jazz Bass.
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 11:22 pm
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Im also curious on the finishing process. Say I wanted my neck to match my body (Gloss black body), would they be using the same kind of finish on the neck or would they be painting it and putting lacquer over the paint? Also will the neck still feel the same after it has finished (feeling like it was just the lacquer finish) or will it be all sticky?


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Post subject: Re: Fender American Deluxe Jazz Bass.
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 1:24 am
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chromeface wrote:
The pictured bass has two mini switches, the slap-cut which is stock on the instrument and another one for the active/passive mode.
Keep in mind that post-2010 USA Deluxes feature an additional passive tone control which works when the 2-way toggle selector is set to "passive" mode. These features are not present on the pre-2010 Deluxes, which are 100% active, though I believe Fender sells the new active/passive circuitry as an upgrade kit for the pre-2010 Deluxe basses.
Although the 2-octave Jazzes are now discontinued, I suspect only a very few of these basses were sold with an optional maple fingerboard, even with the rosewood neck offered as a standard feature.



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Actually the original stock configuration of my bass was as pictured above. It only had one switch which switched from active to passive.. Master Volume, Pan Pot and a 3-Band Active EQ.

The other switch was added with the U Retro and the controls were changed dramatically.

Image

VOLUME & BLEND
VOLUME
The upper knob is the Volume which has two sections under the same knob. A high impedance for the passive path and a low impedance section is used for the active circuitry. When used active, this knob has active circuitry after it so that the feed to your amplifier is a low impedance drive.

The lower outer knob is the Blend balance for the pickups. Turn it fully clockwise for the neck pickup alone and fully anti-clockwise for the bridge pickup. The midway position, which has an indent, gives an equal mix of both pickups. The balance between the pickups is continuously variable with progressive level compensation towards the single pickup settings.

BASS & TREBLE
TREBLE (+12dB @ 3 kHz, -12dB @ 1kHz)
The upper knob is the Treble control with boost and cut. The central 'flat' position is indented. The cut settings work on lower frequencies compared to boost to give a deeper sound when the top is rolled off.
BRIGHT (+8dB @ 7kHz)
Pull the Treble knob for the Bright setting.
BASS (+15dB @ 50Hz)
The lower outer knob is the boost only Bass control. The frequency band of boost gets progressively lower as the boost is increased. An indent midway is included to aid the setting of this control.

MID LEVEL & FREQUENCY
BOOST/CUT (+/- 12dB)
The upper knob controls the amount of Mid boost or cut at frequencies according to the setting of the Frequency knob. The midway indent is the 'flat' position.
FREQUENCY (150Hz - 3kHz)
The lower outer knob is continuously variable and sets the Mid frequencies for boost or cut.

PASSIVE TONE
The passive tone pot consists of two sections, one for each pickup. Two sections are necessary since the pickup signals are kept separate and fed to their own individual input amplifiers prior to the electronic blend circuitry.
To retain the characteristics of a true passive tone, its circuitry is connected directly to the pickups at all times and therefore function in both active and passive modes. The roll-off frequency is set to give a deep mellow sound.

ACTIVE PASSIVE SWITCH
Towards the jack for active, the opposite for passive.

PICKUPS SW
In active mode the switch switches control for the pick ups from the blend knob setting or both pickups at equal setting where the blend knob has no effect.

In passive mode the switch will go from either both pickups or the bridge pickup alone.

In passive mode the only controls that function are the volume, passive tone and the pickup control switch.

Needless to say the tones I can get out of this bass just by tweaking it can go from a bright Weather Report Jaco esque burpiness (minus of course the nuances and musicianship that Jaco put in his playing .. :lol: ), to a raw kind of Graham type of sound, to an 80s GAP type of sound.. and all this is without fiddling with my amp.. with everything flat. When I start messing with the amp then it gets really interesting. This bass is so comfortable for me to play, the string spacing, the neck size, the weight.. I just put some Fat Beams on it.. and I am just too thrilled about it. It is a keeper for me and it may very well be the last bass I buy for a long time unless I come into some money or find something that really just floors me, but I am kind of funny that way... It is hard for me to get bus so deep into a bass that is not mine.. I may like it, but I wont start gassing for it right off. I played some pretty nice high end basses.. and they were nice to play.. but none of them moved me like this one. Not even my beloved SSS5.


Had a look at the U retro preamp. Was just wondering how they managed to get the pickup switch over in that location. The switch is near the volume knob originally. The wires from the switch look a bit too short to reach over to that location. Did they have to extend the wires on that switch.


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