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Post subject: Re: 1972 Jazz Bass
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 7:59 pm
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I know I'm going to get slammed for this....but I say upgrade! Drop in new pups and 500K pots. Unless you want to one day sell the Bass I say hook it up! :D

That is a sweet llooking Bass though! The worn element adds to its character... 8)

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Post subject: Re: 1972 Jazz Bass
Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 4:26 pm
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Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 4:36 pm
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Post subject: Re: 1972 Jazz Bass
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 6:52 am
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You have to understand that the pickups on the 70's jazz basses normaly had the weaker magnets and wind as oppose to the P-Bass,but the tone caps was were they made up for it to give it that tremendous "in your face tone"
Good looking Axe man...... :wink:


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Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 10:33 am
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Post subject: Re: 1972 Jazz Bass
Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:29 pm
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Sorry to be brief, but on the road. Played in a tux tonight....that was a first.

I have a 72 jazz that had a weak bridge pickup. I was ready for a rewind. My tech remagintized it and brought it back to 80%+, which I can deal with on the controls. I am not a techie, but that is what he did, so I still had the original windings...which is nice.

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Post subject: Re: 1972 Jazz Bass
Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 4:09 pm
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affprod wrote:
Sorry to be brief, but on the road. Played in a tux tonight....that was a first.

I have a 72 jazz that had a weak bridge pickup. I was ready for a rewind. My tech remagintized it and brought it back to 80%+, which I can deal with on the controls. I am not a techie, but that is what he did, so I still had the original windings...which is nice.


I dealt with dying output on my '73 Jazz a few years back. And it brought to light the fact that going to an average repair person isn't the best course of action with a vintage instrument. But finding the right repair person for a vintage project like this can potentially be a challenge.

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The first step was just trying to diagnose the problem. All the while trying to maintain the integrity of a 40 year old instrument. Eventually they determined that the output of the neck pickup was dying, and sent it off to a pickup specialist. He attempted to remagnetize the pickup, but the windings were too far gone and couldn't be salvaged. So the pickup got re-wound with new wire and the magnets got recharged. That's what happened with my bass.

Mind you, I did this in the interest of getting the bass ready for sale. I just wasn't comfortable gigging with a vintage bass. And it was worth far more to me sold than sitting at home. So I got the owner of the shop that handled the repairs to write a letter detailing the work. And he was also kind enough to date the pots for me, and that helped a lot when I sold this particular Jazz bass.


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Post subject: Re: 1972 Jazz Bass
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:52 am
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I'm for fixing a broken pickup in a vintage bass rather than living with it.

Fixing should mean a rewind/remag of the original but if you have to replace it. I would rather have a functional bass that an original wall hanger.

i have a 72 that has Dimarzios installed and a 1st gen BA bridge.
Its already been modded so I just play it as is.
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Post subject: Re: 1972 Jazz Bass
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:30 pm
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Everyone has opinions, and I respect them all. However, a 72 Jazz is becoming a valuable axe. To replace the pickup, if other options are available, is not financially smart. Even if you save the original pickup for sale with the piece, you lowered the value tremendously by replacing the solder joints.

It's a funny thing. I agree with making a bass your own. But why would you intentionally dimish its value for a number that may buy a new bass? 72s are hot and getting hotter.

If you want to play this bass forever, upgrade it - but it will not sound like the same bass, so you may have wasted your money. Or, sell it for $3500 and buy two, 2013 American made basses, maybe a P and a J.

Anyway you look at it, modifiying the 72 just takes one more collectable off the market. But, that is my gig, and just my opinion.

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Post subject: Re: 1972 Jazz Bass
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 10:15 am
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affprod- I totally agree with you.

I found and bought this bass in this condition.
It was used by the U.S. Navy band for 30 years until they traded it in on something new.

I bought it as is from the local music store that had it and I have been thinking about restoring it, but even then it will never again be original, so I just play it.

I personally would never modify a Fender bass of this age but this one was modified back in the day, when it was the cool thing to do.

And About this whole "solder joint thing" and collectible basses.

Do you think that you can tell if a bass solder joint is original or not?

If you owned an original condition Fender bass from any year, lets say 1972 or 64- Would you accept a so called expert telling you that your bass is only worth half of the accepted value because it has after market solder joints/

How many of you buy into that scam?

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Post subject: Re: 1972 Jazz Bass
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 9:12 pm
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Part of the value of the original solder joints is that it insures the finish is also original since it is impossible to refinish an instrument without removing all the electronics. Non-original solder joints alone are not a 50% deduction and will not move an instrument out of Collector Class unless you find something else that is non-original. I'd say it is a minor mark-off on legitimate repairs of maybe 10% and non-original pots will pull more off. However the main value of them is that non-original solder can be a tip-off to refinishing, especially if someone tries to masquerade a refinish as original when it isn't.

I've seen instruments where they attempted to conceal a refinish by slipping the cloth insulation back as far as possible, cutting the wire and then splicing and soldering it back together and carefully sliding the cloth insulation back over the splice. So yes, it did have the original solder joints...but it also had the hidden newer ones I found. This is always an effort to represent a refinish as original, I count this as being solid evidence of a refinish.

I've also seen acid or naval jelly used to attempt to age pickup lead solder joints and the way I caught it was they put too much or left it on too long and over-aged the new joints so that they looked much older than the original ones between the tone and volume pots. When I pulled the neck I found a faint paint stick mark in the neck pocket of an instrument that should have been on the turntable raised using the nail method instead of a paint stick. I wouldn't have looked so hard at the neck pocket if the solder joints hadn't been funny looking. They tried to hide the mark also and it was only visible at certain angles in the right light and was as much an indentation as anything else. You'd be amazed at what people will do to try to trick you.

So calm down BC. Solder joints are just part of it and are not 50% of the value. Original joints are better of course and the most desired by collectors because it is solid proof of a factory finish. That's really all it means.

The truth is that using an instrument causes pots to wear out. Heck not using it will cause other issues too that are about the same thing. Eventually they will need some maintenance and that is to be expected.

When someone says a vintage instrument is "all original" and it looks brand new, I figure it plays or sounds like poo! I'd rather have one that actually got played a bunch and maybe had a pot repaired or a pickup rewound. You can't use an instrument maintenance free for 50 or 60 years, it just doesn't happen in the real world.

Figuring out whether it was normal maintenance or something more sinister is not always easy though and you have to put everything into perspective and evaluate the entire instrument and not just the solder joints so you can try to figure out why one or more isn't original. Often it was just routine maintenance. Sometimes the pot nut got loose and the player just over-spun it twisting the wires till the connection broke.

You're right BC, it is sometimes hard to judge solder joints. However they are worth a look as they can often tell you things.


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Post subject: Re: 1972 Jazz Bass
Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:43 am
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Dave- You make some very good points about solder joints.
I have no issue with detecting a refinish when someone is representing and instrument as original. Solder joints and fresh cuts in wiring are a great indicator of not only a refinish but pickup and pot replacements.
If you are paying a premium price for a collectible instrument, you should be allowed due diligence to certify that what you are buying is accurately represented.

On the other hand- I don't think that having had your bass or guitar repaired necessarily takes it out of collector class. I think that a vintage bass with replaced pots is still a very desirable instrument and if the owner wants to sell, as long as the repair is revealed and the price is fairly adjusted, everyone should be satisfied.

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Post subject: Re: 1972 Jazz Bass
Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 8:56 pm
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So years after I started this post I finally decided to look into fixing the low output that my all original 1972 Fender Jazz was experiencing. In order to diagnose the pickups I had to de-solder them from the volume pots to hook them up to an ohm meter. Here is where the mystery continues. I could not get anything to register for either pickup on the 72 Jazz. Yet I had two other Fender basses that would give an output reading so I know the the meter was functioning properly and was hooked up correctly. Overall this 72 Jazz has half the output of my other Fender basses. My question is what next? Should I remove the pickups and assume they need to be rewound, could there be an issue with the magnets? On a side note, the volume/tone controls work perfectly. I want this bass to be more then a collectors item so I am thinking about getting the originals rewound through Lindsay Fralin. Could I be missing something else that would cause no reading on the ohm meter. Everything is grounded properly. Looking for your ideas. Thanks!!!


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Post subject: Re: 1972 Jazz Bass
Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 11:46 pm
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Here we go, my 1972 Jazz......

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Post subject: Re: 1972 Jazz Bass
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 8:39 am
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scheil442 wrote:
So years after I started this post I finally decided to look into fixing the low output that my all original 1972 Fender Jazz was experiencing. In order to diagnose the pickups I had to de-solder them from the volume pots to hook them up to an ohm meter. Here is where the mystery continues. I could not get anything to register for either pickup on the 72 Jazz. Yet I had two other Fender basses that would give an output reading so I know the the meter was functioning properly and was hooked up correctly. Overall this 72 Jazz has half the output of my other Fender basses. My question is what next? Should I remove the pickups and assume they need to be rewound, could there be an issue with the magnets? On a side note, the volume/tone controls work perfectly. I want this bass to be more then a collectors item so I am thinking about getting the originals rewound through Lindsay Fralin. Could I be missing something else that would cause no reading on the ohm meter. Everything is grounded properly. Looking for your ideas. Thanks!!!


See my answer to a very similar post you made in a new thread.


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