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Post subject: Fender experts, real or fake?
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 12:09 pm
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Post subject: Re: Fender experts, real or fake?
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 12:19 pm
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An Ash body-- looks like a real Fender-- looks like it has had one of those BA bridges on it for a long time. Here's my 72 you can compare a little with it but over time they always change a bunch of stuff.

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mine has had a fret job-- new pickups--

I think yours may fall in the range of76-77-78-to--81- not sure.


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Post subject: Re: Fender experts, real or fake?
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 12:37 pm
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I'm looking in the Fender book on page 62 at a 74 with pearl blocks-- your bass has the 3 hole neck plate-- It's a Fender- that much I'm sure of-- I'll leave the rest to the guys with the stats--- your pickguard is not original- niether is the BA-- pu's may not be original----


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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 12:43 pm
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I'm looking in the Fender book on page 62 at a 74 with pearl blocks-- your bass has the 3 hole neck plate-- It's a Fender- that much I'm sure of-- I'll leave the rest to the guys with the stats--- your pickguard is not original- niether is the BA-- pu's may not be original----


just a question,where the old pickups in that bass dimarzio model j's??? you can just barley see on in the 3rd pic.

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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 3:20 pm
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The EIA codes on the CTS pots seem to date those components to the 11th week of 1976, which is consistent with the other details visible -- the 11-screw pickguard, holes where a bridge ashtray was once mounted, the 3-bolt neck with Micro-tilt, the ash body, and the Fender-stamped trapezoid-base tuning machines. Other parts (as mentioned) appear to be aftermarket stuff, but I'd say the instrument is a genuine '76 Jazz Bass. A nice one too though I'm no "egg-spurt" on basses.

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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 4:41 pm
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stroker vance wrote:
I'm looking in the Fender book on page 62 at a 74 with pearl blocks-- your bass has the 3 hole neck plate-- It's a Fender- that much I'm sure of-- I'll leave the rest to the guys with the stats--- your pickguard is not original- niether is the BA-- pu's may not be original----


just a question,where the old pickups in that bass dimarzio model j's??? you can just barley see on in the 3rd pic.



Yes those were Dims late 70's-- great pickups-- I replaced them with Duncan Antiquities which sound great too. The 72 needed a little work when I got it. It saw many years in a Country band playing around here in every smokey bar there is. It's a relic condition bass for sure. It sounds very good, nice even tone and volume,


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Post subject: Re: Fender experts, real or fake?
Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 12:51 am
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What if anything makes you believe it may not be ? The bod and neck parts are legit but may be from a couple of different basses(not 100% sure) the main thing is finding out if the neck and body match then you can go from there if you want to put it all back to original condition,if the wood parts(neck,body) matches up then go from there,if not a matching set then leave it as is or go about changing whatever it is you dis-like,And go play the hell out of it .
nice bass either way :mrgreen:

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Post subject: Re: Fender experts, real or fake?
Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 6:19 am
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I think that yes there are Fender basses made from seperate bass necks bodies etc etc-- but in the overall big picture if you think about it--- hundreds of thousands of electric guitars, basses, made every year for many ,many years even from the 1950's--- that is one big gigantic bunch of guitars. Where are they all? We could not fathom the amount of guitars laying around out there in America and the World. And being as there are so many-- that alone makes me think why would there be such a large amount of them taken apart and pieced together with other guitars? Well in the grand scheme I just don't think there are 2 or 3 hundred thousand mix and match Fender basses floating around. Okay theses days you have those people who take apart guitars and sell them in pieces. There are no blanket statements that can be made to cover every aspect of the questions about mix and match basses. I'm saying compared to the ones that are out there with the original necks and bodies still together from the factory--- there are way more of those than the cheesy mix and match dilema. It's is fairly easy in alot of cases to tell if the body and neck of a bass are original partners. The fit, the patina, the #'s, the same marks from the same pens in the pocket and on the body, the same writer in some cases, the codes, the stamps, the drilled holes, the undersides of the pickguards and electronic plates, name stamps from the same time period, neck plate marks in the body- the indents in the body from the ground wire under the bridge--- all that stuff goes into it in an overall inspection. Now I'm not a Fender expert even though I play one on TV, but if I had common sense I would say that I use it to develope the theory that the ratio of mix and match basses compared to basses that are virgin builds---- I'd say there are a whole hell of alot more virgins than mismatched Fender basses. I would say there are more mismatched Strats and Teles and the like simply because just so many gazillion more are sold and out there. When I look at a bass in a store I personally don't really think about if it is mismatched unless there is something obvious to trigger the thought in the first place. I can say that I have had a couple that were mismatched- (a 66-69 P bass) and I knew it upon inspection at the pawn shop. It was obvious to me- but there I go again trying to sound like something I am not- an expert-- no not me. I just like to play'em!!!!!! I can say with confidence that of the guitars I have right now ( quite a few) - they are all virgin builds.


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Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 2:24 pm
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Post subject: Re: Fender experts, real or fake?
Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 10:24 am
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One thing I can say is I learned ALOT from my time learning the skill of guitar re-pair,not just in the repair aspect but much more on the general history of Fender stuff from the 70s and up.
And was disappointed to find out just how many basses were "hacked" apart and used as parts basses because of the necks being un-repairable,twisting /warping and the "Fender cow tongue"(last 6-8 frets being high from moisture in the wood)it was cheaper to buy another bass and make one from the two seperate basses,which was'nt an issue on the pre-cbs guitars due largely from using very old,dry,quality wood in the old days.
Adding shims was also thought to make a neck become problematic by allowing the neck to NOT sit tight in the pocket and allowing moisture to permeate the lower end of the neck,which I dont believe seeing how a shim is used to correct a pre-existing neck problem to begin with :idea: .
So anything is possible when it comes to questioning one of the company's darker times which were they known for cutting corners every which way possible and producing guitars so far off the spectrum from what they were originally known for,no wonder whey the put made in U.S.A. decals on the basses being made in Japan,maybe they should take a lesson out of that book today. :cry:

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Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:17 pm
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Looks like most of a 1976 Fender Jazz with some "upgrade" parts. Neck, tuners, body and most electronics original.


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Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 6:17 pm
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Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 12:21 pm
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Post subject: Re: Fender experts, real or fake?
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:49 pm
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Stroker,does the truss still turn on your bass ? I have worked on a few jazz's that the adjuster was no where turned in a far as yours is and they were "bottomed out" and even with a few tenny tiny washers it gained a little room but nothing to speak of,do you still have adjustment left ? alot of thicker necked Fenders can take some strings without any need to adjust the neck,how does yours fair ?
thanks bro,I am working on a older jazz and was just trying to do some research on some diff situations,thanks again :mrgreen:

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Post subject: Re: Fender experts, real or fake?
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 9:21 pm
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When I got the bass home from the store where I traded for it- I did the take apart deal. I was kind of let down when I saw how far in the thing was adjusted. Obviously someone turned it in too much-- there is a very slight hump in the first fret block where the end of the truss was pushing up from inside-- yes I know this is not good. It is bottomed out and I left it alone. The action is good- I've had the bass close to 3 years and it hasn't changed- the strings aren't far off the neck and it plays fine. I haven't thought about remedies and fixing it. As long as it stays like it is I'm good with it. Any thoughts or suggetions on fixing or putting washers on the rod or whatever are welocome. I could take care of it but I think to completely make it like it should be may be a little expensive and since it's not giving me any problems I'm just hanging in limbo on it.


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