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Vintage...are they over priced?
Yes 59%  59%  [ 10 ]
No 29%  29%  [ 5 ]
Don't care I'd buy one if I had the Cash 12%  12%  [ 2 ]
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Post subject: What do you make of Vintage Jazz bass prices?
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 5:52 pm
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So...what do you reckon, over priced for an old instrument? would you pay thousands for your perfect vintage?

Do you own one? Would you ever want to own one?

Where's the best place to find these beauties?

I'd love to replace my 3 basses with the 60's vintage. :D


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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:04 am
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I say overpriced, but that's because I don't have the funds anymore to afford one. If I was still single, then maybe not so overpriced. Wood do tend to sound better as they aged - and taken care off. Some of the ones on Ebay are just old, beaten up, but it's from the '70s. Most the the '60s for sale are in good condition. If I'm going to spend $2k - $3k+ I'd get something custom to my specs. Even some of the Warwicks are crazy expensive, but like everything else it's just my oppinion.

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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:15 am
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I wouldn't pay thousands for the "perfect" vintage bass. When I've seen the ones that looked like they were barely used it made me think:
A) The owner gave up on learning to play the instrument.
B) It was never very good sounding or playing.
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C) Someone is trying to scam me.

What really shows a good older instrument are the signs of wear and tear from years of playing it IMO. When I was a teen and first started playing, my door/walls were lined with pictures from magazines of the most worn-out looking Fenders. They look great new and I try to keep mine in good condition, but it says something about a bass or guitar that someone has held onto for decades and it has all that character.

And if I was lucky enough to have the cash to buy a vintage bass I wouldn't take it out to a gig. One doesn't even need to know much about music or instruments to see it's worth money and want to steal it. There have been a lot of Fenders on Antiques Roadshow appraised for crazy amounts that would make anyone notice an older looking one. I'd rather buy a new or almost new one and play it long enough to have it look like it's been dragged behind a truck on a gravel road. :)


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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:36 am
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Edro wrote:
I wouldn't pay thousands for the "perfect" vintage bass. When I've seen the ones that looked like they were barely used it made me think:
A) The owner gave up on learning to play the instrument.
B) It was never very good sounding or playing.
Or
C) Someone is trying to scam me.

What really shows a good older instrument are the signs of wear and tear from years of playing it IMO. When I was a teen and first started playing, my door/walls were lined with pictures from magazines of the most worn-out looking Fenders. They look great new and I try to keep mine in good condition, but it says something about a bass or guitar that someone has held onto for decades and it has all that character.

And if I was lucky enough to have the cash to buy a vintage bass I wouldn't take it out to a gig. One doesn't even need to know much about music or instruments to see it's worth money and want to steal it. There have been a lot of Fenders on Antiques Roadshow appraised for crazy amounts that would make anyone notice an older looking one. I'd rather buy a new or almost new one and play it long enough to have it look like it's been dragged behind a truck on a gravel road. :)


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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:42 am
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Although I think the prices are ridiculous, I'd really like to own one or two and use them live too :D Sorry guys I just love 'em.


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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:59 pm
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I saw a 60's vintage case on ebay fetch as much as I paid for my 1969 jazz (with case) and a 69 traynor amp & cabinet in 1987. The original finish is gone so the value of mine is minimal. Oh well, I guess I'll just have to keep it.


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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 6:58 am
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The idea that a bass guitar made in the early 60s is better than a bass guitar made today is what's ridiculous.

Collectors drive up prices because the instruments are rare and because they demonstrate wealth in what sociologists once called "parody display:" a method of saying to others in your social circle, "hey, look what I can afford!" You can buy or assemble a bass as good or better from modern parts (if the market was about instrument quality, mid-80s MIJ Strats would be worth thousands while many early 60s instruments would be hanging in pawn shops next to the Teisco Del Rays).

A good friend of mine owns a '66 Jazz that I know is 100 percent authentic because I was with him when he bought it used in 1970. It's a great bass. So are his three Mark Hoppus basses and his Sting reissue. For recording, none of them can touch my own '96 American Precision Deluxe (with a Fender "Original P-Bass" pickup installed), a great player with an amazingly versatile tonal range.

Besides, after the insane market fluctuations, the ease of counterfeiting, he admissions by major vintage dealers that they can't be sure of provenance anymore, I think that buying a "vintage" piece today - in any condition, not just "minty" - is an act of pure faith. If you bought it in '62 and it hasn't left your possession, then it's real. Other than that, all bets are off.


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Tone and playing preference are subject to be different for each person. Saying one bass sounds better than another is a matter of opinion.
I don't think anybody is trying to claim that Pre-cbs fenders are better quality than newer basses I think it is the tone and feel they like more than other basses. That's a completely different thing.
I have a '73 j and a '63 p that I like the tone and feel of more than any of the other 50+ basses I've had in the past or played.
I don't care how much vintage stuff sells for if I want one I'll work,save money and buy it.


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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:16 am
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Does anyone have pics of their vintage basses? :D


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Thanks... this is top quality porn 8)


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My thoughts on this have been touched upon by the previous posts. I would just as soon buy a new 'off the wall' instrument that filled my needs or buy a Fender CS piece.

I'd rather have a new instrument nine times out of ten. I'm not immune to vintage pieces, but I'd rather have a new instrument. That's one of the reasons Clapton sold off so much of his collection. He keeps a few new / newer instruments around to do his job.

If you find a new instrument that 'speaks' to you as much as a vintage piece does, then go hunting for vintage pickups or new ones that will do the job. In all likelihood you will have an instrument that will do what the over priced, vintage piece will do and at a far better price.


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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:20 pm
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Actually we can't be certain that we would be buying a genuine vintage, you only have to look at ebay and see some very suspect looking "vintage" instruments.

By the way hackenbush......you have the same opinion as our guitar player :D
he prefers new Fender Strats, he wouldn't touch a vintage.


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62-UK,

Actually I do own a couple of vintage instruments. They were bought when you could still get them at a fair price. I would own, maybe buy more if they were considered a 'used' instrument.

Tell your guitarist he's a smart man. He'll never have to worry about diminishing the value of his Strats. Plus he'll not have to leave them at home due to their value. I have a CS Strat, but my most fave one is an American Std in Frost Red.

For the record I'm a bass player. My Strats are just to plunk around on.


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