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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 12:26 am
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I have a project going that requires one can of Olympic White paint and one can of nitrocellulose lacquer.

Up until now, ReRanch.com was going to be the place to get the stuff - unfortunately, they can only ship to the US. So, my project is pretty much $@!&*% for the time being.

Here's my question - can you guys recommend Fender grade paint, Olympic White, and good lacquer, that I can find here in Canada? Not everyday white paint, but good paint recommended for guitars. I have googled around for a place like a Canadian ReRanch to no avail. I also don't know anything about paint, so I need some advice on this.

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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 1:18 pm
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You should be able to find the same color in an auto body paint. Try a good automotive parts place & you'll be good to go. They will also have the correct compounds for buffing out & polishing the finish as well. It might be acrylic lacquer, but for your purposes it will be exactly the same. A good lumber or home improvement 'big box' might have lacquer too. The difficulty will be finding it in solid or opaque finishes.

I prefer acrylic lacquer.


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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 1:25 pm
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You should be able to find the same color in an auto body paint. Try a good automotive parts place & you'll be good to go. They will also have the correct compounds for buffing out & polishing the finish as well. It might be acrylic lacquer, but for your purposes it will be exactly the same. A good lumber or home improvement 'big box' might have lacquer too. The difficulty will be finding it in solid or opaque finishes.

I prefer acrylic lacquer.


acrylic is ok but...


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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 2:12 pm
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Thanks for the reples. I'll definitely be checking out acrylic lacquer if I won't find anything else.

But, in my project, I am trying to be faithful to the way Fender makes 'em (until that fails) - that means Fender-grade paint (I heard it's paint mixed with nitrocellulose lacquer?) and nitrocellulose lacquer.

So if anybody has any brands, names that I could find in Canada, please tell me :) Thanks.


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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 5:40 pm
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" (I heard it's paint mixed with nitrocellulose lacquer?) "

Well . . . it's not 'paint' mixed with nitrocellulose lacquer. A short answer is: a thin finish of any of the three most used coating (acrylic, nitro, polyurethane), will be a good and durable finish.

Pigments, coloring agents, are mixed w/ the resin or polymer. Don't get hung up on the nitro vs acrylic vs poly debate. Find a finish & apply it properly & as thin as you like to get the results you want. Then go play 'yer guitar!

Here's a longer answer:

In a general sense, lacquer is a clear or colored varnish that dries by
solvent evaporation and often a curing process as well that produces a hard, durable finish, in any sheen level from ultra matte to high gloss and that can be further polished as required. Regardless, in modern usage, lac-based varnishes are referred to as shellac, while lacquer refers to other polymers dissolved in Volatile Organic Compounds such as nitrocellulose and later acrylic compounds dissolved in a solvent generally referred to as lacquer thinner.

Nitro:

Quick-drying solvent-based lacquers that contain nitrocellulose, a resin obtained from the nitration of cotton and other cellulostic materials, were developed in the early 1920s, and extensively used in the automobile industry for 30 years.

Acrylic:

Lacquers using acrylic resin, a synthetic polymer, were developed in the 1950s. Acrylic resin is colourless, transparent thermoplastic, obtained by the polymerization of derivatives of acrylic acid. Acrylic is also used in enamels, which have the advantage of not needing to be buffed to obtain a shine. Enamels, however, are slow drying. The advantage of acrylic lacquers, which was recognized by General Motors, is an exceptionally fast drying time. The use of lacquers in automobile finishes was discontinued when tougher, more durable, weather- and chemical-resistant two-component polyurethane coatings were developed. The system usually consists of a primer, colour coat and clear topcoat, commonly known as clear coat finishes. It is extensively used for wooden finishing.


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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 6:02 pm
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From ReRanch.com:

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The colors shown below were matched either to an original color sample from a vintage instrument or to the original manufactures color code. All of the colors (as were the originals) have been blended in nitrocellulose lacquer.


That's kinda what I was looking for. Unless there is a special shipping method that allows aerosol cans to be brought from the US, ReRanch is dead, unfortunately.

I will definitely be going to an auto parts store to check out some white paint and lacquers.

Does anybody know the color code for Olympic White?


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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 7:21 pm
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I borrowed this info from another site. This should accomplish what you need.

Original Info:

Olympic White Lucite 2818-L 60-80 58-62 Cadillac

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Olympic White

Lacquer Source(s): DuPont 2818L, Ppg DDL8144.
Low VOC Source(s): DuPont 2818K.
Used on 1958 to 1962 Cadillac's only. Oly White and Black are the two easiest Fender colors to reproduce. I wouldn't waste my money buying these two colors from DuPont or PPG, as any white lacquer will pretty much do fine. The only trick to making Oly White look "right", is to use a slightly yellowed tint / clear coat. But don't go too wild, as over-yellowed white finishes can be spotted a mile away. Since we're dealing with white here, a little tint goes a long way. Without any tint coat, the true Olympic White (and any other whites) look much too stark and "fresh".


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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 7:44 pm
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Thanks for that color code! I think it will definitely come in handy :)

Just so you know - the only thing that I'm doing with the finish is a Olympic White matching headstock on my bass.

So, I will just use sandpaper to get the old finish off the top of the headstock. It is just a really thin coat. Then, I will cover the sides and the back of the headstock (and the fretboard also) with masking tape. Then I will apply the white paint. After it dries, a new logo will be applied. Then a thin coat of lacquer and voila.

Of course, that is just a very rough plan. When I have the materials, I will definitely read about how to do it correctly.

I am also not looking into "over-vintage-ing" the thing. But, my bass's body is kind of yellow-ish, depending on the lightning. At times it looks like "Vintage Cream", while on closer inspection it's just plain old white. I can't really describe it. I've posted a a pic of it in the "pictures of your bass" topic on this forum. So, while I don't want my headstock to stand out against the bass, I also need to create this "yellow/white" effect, hence the nitro lacquer, which is what I heard does it.


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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 8:38 am
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"I also need to create this "yellow/white" effect, hence the nitro lacquer, which is what I heard does it."

The tinting of the clear is what causes the yellowing to occur. That, or 10 -20 years of aging. Nitro or acrylic lacquer will age in this fashion.


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