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Post subject: Jazz Bass volume and tone controls
Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:23 pm
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I bought an '08 American Standard Jazz last week, and am looking to increase the variety of tones I can play. Currently, I'm in a cover band playing mostly classic rock tunes and the tone with both pickups at max volume and tone control almost fully open sounds great. We also do some slower and/or country tunes that need more of a P bass tone with more "thump". I suspect that turning off the bridge pickup and dialing back the tone a bit more should help. Any other thoughts?


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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:10 am
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Roll off the treble, and play up near the neck for your Country groove.
Adjust pickup volumes to your taste.


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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:54 pm
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8) just a sugestion! but i use a pre-amp. into a 250wt. hd. fender pwr hd. a410 cab. to a 1-15 cab. i do simular music. the pre amp for me just cleans up the entire sound. i leave the volume controles set the at the same levels, treble at low, for low pasive thump. i just adjust the treble for more growl on blues, and if i want more growl "not metel" for R&B 70's rock, with a little slap, i crank up the neck pu. i'm using a 64 jazz fender, with fender stainless steel round wounds. your personal set up could vary, i welcome any sugestions, and or crittisisiom,"be nice" i love new ideas. 62 yrs. young and still rockin " started at 14 WOW! seems like yesterday" let's do it! maybe it waz i can't recall!!!! dammm!!!!


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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:52 am
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Sweet setup jeepster, i can see your kids fightn' over that 62 already :lol:


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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 6:23 pm
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The basses I have are listed in my signature! I love them all well I only got the Rogue to play around on a 5 string. It actually doesn't sound too bad though however I hardly ever play it.

I have my 1st setup - original 1989 Crate B200 and Crate 118+210 cab. Unique in build and awesome sound. They are really great and they were a great first rig. Once you have an 18 though, nothing else will do. They are just special. I know some don't like the Crate Head but pretty much universally the cab is loved! They are so cherry they still have the hanging tags on them!

Modern rig is GK 1001RB Hartke 4.5XL (4X10+tweeter) on top of 1 or 2 18's depending on the size of the room.

I also use a studio based setup that is great if I have the time and all to go set it up and help with stuff while setting up and tearing down. That is either a little tiny mixer, BP50, or Zoom 502II 1/4"into UltraCurve Pro or a Zoom MRS1608 TOS LINK into Behringer UltraCurve Pro (has 40bit floating D/A converters plus so much more) XLR into Behringer EP1500 or EP2500 (or both) into any combination of above cabnets along with my PA cabs (115 + horn).

When recording I have Behringer Multi-Gate Pro XLR into DOD SR231Qx xlr to the Zoom XLR in. I can jack directly into the Zoom 1 guitar, bass or Keyboard. Sometimes I use one of the heads as a pre-amp then also use a 900W PA amp I have to run the Crate and/or Hartke cabs and the PA itself using the PA cabs on top of the 18's if recording bass or keyboards or I want it really loud!

The new amp and cab modeling and now even bass modeling really has changed things a lot. You can get classic sounds from generic gear and even classic setups on simple PA equipment. I have noticed that I play clean about 95% of the time except maybe chorus in certain rooms. Then use the effects tht 5% of riffs that need it or it sounds awesome on. Basses can't over-use effects. Clutters stuff up IMHO. Also some folks - NOT ALL - use effects to vocer up skill or talent.

Doing studio work really changed my opinions about a lot of things. It is so inexpensive today too. The recorders really do kind of open up a whole new world even if your not recording it! Really helps to keep from forgetting so much stuff too! That has beena reoccuring problem for me for years! Hell even with the recorder I have to not be lazy and actually walk downstairs to ge it!

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Post subject: Re: Jazz Bass volume and tone controls
Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:26 pm
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jbcoll wrote:
I bought an '08 American Standard Jazz last week, and am looking to increase the variety of tones I can play. Currently, I'm in a cover band playing mostly classic rock tunes and the tone with both pickups at max volume and tone control almost fully open sounds great. We also do some slower and/or country tunes that need more of a P bass tone with more "thump". I suspect that turning off the bridge pickup and dialing back the tone a bit more should help. Any other thoughts?

Have you tried any effects pedals?


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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 2:37 pm
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I haven't tried any effects pedals yet. Any suggestions for a guy who plays standard club/private party cover band material?


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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 4:19 pm
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Again, have you checked out the digital recorders out there? They are getting cheap and they have awesome effect engines on them and generally multiple ones at that. They also can throw multi-line chorus and reverb at least. That comes in super handy when a single unit can handle the entire band as far as mixing (might have to mix drums at 2 levels) and then effects for everybody. You can also save the setups so each song's effects are ready to go.

I will tell you straight out. I would rather use my Zoom (MRS1608) than anything else when performing in a 4-6 member band. It makes it so easy and gets rid of so many cords and along with confusion and "too many hands on the pots." Even when using outside effects and preamps and all. Using the TOS Link and a good D/A converter makes things like group reverb/chorus possible and truely "invisible" at the same time.

Plus you can record every night and easily produce your own stuff to sell at performances or in general. Seriously I have had folks come to my studio using a simple Zoom because the local studio messed it up so bad! Actually, a guy opened up a studio that caters to musicians and he based his studio on mine. Used the same equipment and design that I have because of the quality and prices. I am sure he will gradually build and change, in fact a laptop can replace a recorder now. I would do it that way if starting over.

If you have a laptop get the audio equipment (I can suggest a $25 digital Audio I/O box that kicks) and you can do effects and recording at the push of a button. For you and the whole band if interested! Just like a Zoom or Roland but also a great AutoDJ for between sets. They are starting to get popular in all the Casinos around. I have seen them do the audio, record it, then do AutoDJ and run light shows and effects on top of that. It is truely amazing.

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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:31 pm
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Check out some of these:

Tech 21 SansAmp Bass Driver DI

MXR M-80 Bass DI

Tech 21 VT Bass

I have the MXR and VT Bass, and used to have the BDDI. I always have the VT Bass on. I have two P-basses and it fattens my tone up on those nice and good, and can give me some more options if needed. YMMV


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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:20 pm
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For lots of classic rock what i do is take just some towel paper roll it and thin it so it mutes the strings just a bit, turn the bridge pick up all the way, tone all the way up but set your amp to bass.


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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 5:21 pm
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I have played with a SansAmp before and must say they are really neat DI boxes. It is an active DI which is great at killing several birds with one stone. If you like those DI's you really like the multi-effects and multi-engines a good single computer unit can be awesome.

Zoom 502II Bass is great and even has some drum patches for solo practise and the option of headphones for practise on the run. I think i can put up to 8 or 9 effects on at once and there are literally hundreds of combinatons.

Digitech BP50 (50 presets+ 50 user) which I really loved at the guitar store and like digitech as a general rule but in the field never used it like I thought. The amp and cab modeling, like with the Zoom, is really neat and allows for many effects alnone or stacked with limited drum patches.

All of the above DI's and effects are great. I guess this is largely a case of personal taste as far as companies and their effect sounds and also experience and exposure. I love the SansAmp but have much more practise and experience with Zoom products. Can wind up doing the same basic thing with a different look and feel. Some of it comes down to which you like better Pepsi or Coke. Good Luck!

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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 5:36 pm
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Sorry, I have done it twice now! The effect is named:

Zoom 506II Bass:

33 effects 8 at once; 36 programs; 12 types distortion and Bass-Synth Effect. Auto-Chromatic Tuner and Amp Simulator

ps. If you are planning personal recording you might consider keeping within the same brand. ie. I record with a Zoom and thus I have the same effects engines in the 506 as well as the MRS so I can use the 506 and if need be punch-in with the MRS effects at a later date and not have variation in the effect sound. That consistancy becomes super important when doing studio work. Just a lesson I learned along the way!

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