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Post subject: Re: Ric 4003 Jetglo
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:53 pm
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I think the way the EQ works on the Hartke LH500 (and LH1000, since it's the same amp, but doubled,) is each of the bass, treble, and midrange controls are like individual volume controls, but for those particular frequencies. This is what I've read about it, anyway. You have to also have the bass and treble knobs boosted for the EQ to be considered "flat." I think the Orange head has a similar EQ setup. although I've never had any issues with volume, just clarity, at least with the violin bass.

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Post subject: Re: Ric 4003 Jetglo
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 7:16 am
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Yep, that sounds right for the TX600 also. It must be a standard Hartke default setting for most or all of the Hartke heads. It sure works, sounds fine on the TX600. It definitely powered up greater with the resttings on it. The new settings are ok for both basses, so all Is good.

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Post subject: Re: Ric 4003 Jetglo
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 7:59 am
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I think they call it "stacked tone" knobs, or something like that. I read about it a long time ago, and I don't remember exactly, unless I go and scour the internet and search.

I've took some new picks of the Orange head, with various, close up angles, and it's now listed on Craig's List, and Facebook market, at a price that should move it, if someone is looking for one. It's $400 cheaper than what they went for new, but I'm still good with it, since I'm still coming out ahead, even with throwing in one of the Speakon cables for free. I don't need it right now, since I have only one cab, and they've gone down in price since I've originally bought them. Plus, I figure it would be an incentive, since that amp can only use Speakon cables (it doesn't have the combo jack,) and bonus goodies are usually a good thing for people. The amp I'm planning on getting also takes 1/4" jacks, so no worries about that.

Speaking of this, after some research on AMS, I decided to go for this: https://www.americanmusical.com/Item--i-AMG-PF800-LIST They got an Ampeg PF800 that is non-factory sealed for $60 knocked off the regular price, which I've noticed they often have listed on their site. They must use a lot of them for demos, or whatever reason that they take them out of their original boxes for. No big deal to me, as long as the thing works, and they have a good guarantee and customer service thing going on over there, anyway.

The reason (other than the cheaper price) that I decided to go for the PF800 instead of an SVT-7 Pro, which I originally thought about, was the price I have is enough to get this model, even brand new, but not enough to get the SVT-7 Pro, or the one they had discounted. Another thing, I really don't give a crap about the tube preamp section in the SVT-7 Pro, which is the only thing the PF800 doesn't have, while they both have the same EQ sections, and all of that. I've done the tube preamp with the Orange, and I'm like whatever. They do sound good, but so does straight solid state, at least to me. I've used solid state for years, and even the Fender is solid state, and it sounds good to me. Besides, I like what I've heard with the PF800 demos, and I don't have to worry about replacing and tubes down the road. It's just one less maintenance thing to deal with.

So, the PF800 is what I'm planning on getting, or that's the plan for now, unless Fender finally comes out with an 800 watt head in that price range, which would be probably in the Rumble range, if they did. Another thing, yeah I still have the power with 800 watts, and it will be 400 watts with the single 4 x 10" cab that I do have, which should be enough juice. If not, then just stack on another cab, which shouldn't be too hard to do, since you can get them relatively cheap, especially used. I don't think that that should be a problem. I used to run a Peavey that was 210 watts and it could keep up with just a single 15" cab. That 4 x 10" cab has more speakers to move air with. I know one thing, I should like my tone a hell of a lot more, especially with the violin bass.

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Post subject: Re: Ric 4003 Jetglo
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:59 am
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The Ampeg 800 looks like a great head. And now it’s backed by Ibanez, pretty hard to go wrong with that. I like your plan for moving the Orange head.

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Post subject: Re: Ric 4003 Jetglo
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:12 pm
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It's actually a good time to move it, since I probably won't have any gigs until the next couple of months, and I don't need it for anything else, and have the Fender to cover that. I'm going to try and keep it on the market as long as I can, until it hopefully sells. If I have to do gigs and still have it, then obviously I'll have to use it, but it's not like it's being knocked around, or anything like that. I do try to take care of my stuff, although things can happen.

Another thing about that Ampeg, even if they don't have one discounted, I'll still be able to afford a new one with the money I'd get from the Orange, just not as much left over. Either way, that's situated. Unless, of course, Fender comes out with an 800 watt version of the Rumble, or a head version of that Stage 800 combo, and it's the same price as the Ampeg. I would go for that, because I know how it sounds already, because I already have a Fender combo amp, and it would match the Fender cab that I already have.

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Post subject: Re: Ric 4003 Jetglo
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:00 am
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A Fender 800 Rumble head would be great to have come out. 800 Watt heads do seem to be where a good number of bass amps are topping out at these days. Of course if the head is going through an 8 ohm cab, it’s at about 500 watts any way. My TX600 is 450 watts through an 8 ohm cab. That’s one of the main reasons I went with it, and the HD210 is a 500 watt cab. It evens out well. 450 Watts is more than I need, but why not.
I’m only playing here at home anyway with the two basses. It’s just nice to have the power. Like I always say, old habits die hard.

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Post subject: Re: Ric 4003 Jetglo
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:39 am
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Yeah, it's not that I actually will probably ever need 800 watts, much less the 1000 that I have now, but it's nice to know that I have that headroom, and like you said, I'll have plenty of power just by running it through an 8 ohm cab. Technically, I can get by with just the 500 watt heads around with no problem, but why not kick it up a notch?

Since it's an Ampeg, maybe I should just go all out, and pair it with one of those SVT 8 x 10" refrigerators. :P I'm joking, since I couldn't afford one, and where the hell would I even keep it, much less haul the damned thing around. I also don't have a huge truck or van, or roadies to help carry that thing anywhere. It would be awesome to at least play through one at least one time in my life, though. Just to see how ridiculous it would be to crank it and flap your trousers. 8)

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Post subject: Re: Ric 4003 Jetglo
Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:19 pm
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That Ampeg 810 is still a monster from the past that’s still a good worker in its place. Not fun to move though.

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Post subject: Re: Ric 4003 Jetglo
Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:59 pm
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Yeah, they still use them on a lot of big stages, from what I've seen. I've never had any opportunity to play through one, though. Although, I have played through a few big cabs like that, with 2 x 15" and even 2 x 18" with a 2 x 10" configuration cabs. Those were Peavey and Sonic cabs, that I didn't own, but borrowed. Oh yeah, I just remember I did play through someone's Hartke 8 x 10" aluminum cone cab, which was rather cool, besides playing though their 4 x 10 cabs, with two stacked. I don't even know if they still even make an 8 x 10" cab of any sort. I haven't looked in a long time.

Well, so far no bites on the Orange head, but I'll just keep the adds going until it does, hopefully. I did run the violin bass through the Fender amp yesterday, which I haven't done in a long time.

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Post subject: Re: Ric 4003 Jetglo
Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 9:17 am
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Keeping the Orange listed is a good idea. It sure won't hurt to have it viewed, and available.
I'm getting the GAS to maybe do another Fender head. The Bassman 800 has my interest in favor of the rest. In the HD210 cab, @ 8 ohms, I can get 500 watts. Right at the top watts rating for the cab. The Bassman 800 will fit on the HD210, and also has Speakon jacks.

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Post subject: Re: Ric 4003 Jetglo
Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 12:21 pm
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The Bassman 800 sounds like a nice head. I can't afford it, but I'd certainly consider that would, if I could, as well. 8) I think it should also pair up nicely with the Hartke cab. You might even like it better.

Speaking of heads, someone tried to low ball on the Orange head, but I know why, even though they said it was for a backup amp. They're going to try and flip it and make a profit. They only offered $500 for it, but I have it listed for $650, which is pretty cheap for it, as it is. Usually, I've seen them for $700, but I will take $600 for it, which will cover the cost of the Ampeg. That's as low as I'll go, otherwise, it's not worth it. Besides, I'm not desperate to sell it, that I need the cash bad. I can live with using the head, but if I'd prefer to swap it out for my own personal tastes, which I have talked about before.

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Post subject: Re: Ric 4003 Jetglo
Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:31 pm
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Yep. You don't want to give it away. Like you said, you're not in dire need to sell it, and you can still use it before it sells. It's an Orange, not a Sears Silvertone.

Yeah, I'm going with the Bassman 500, the 8 ohm cab would put out 350 watts, and for my uses that would be pretty good too. I'm in the same boat you're in about the Buckaroos needed to acquire a new head. Nothing is wrong with the Hartke TX600, I'm just thinking at this time I may prefer the Bassman 500.

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Post subject: Re: Ric 4003 Jetglo
Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2018 3:08 pm
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It's funny that you mentioned Sears Silvertone, since they want a lot of money for those things these days, or a lot of those models. I guess because it's "vintage" or collectible. Yeah, I'm not going to give it away, because it would also defeat the purpose of selling it in the first place. I need enough funds to get what I want, and as it is, I think it's a good deal. Hell, I'm even throwing in a Speakon cable for free. That thing wasn't exactly dirt cheap.

I think the Bassman 500 sounds like a good choice, if you really don't need the Bassman 800, and it's also typically $200 cheaper, unless you find one on some sort of special for cheaper. It's about the same specs you have with your current amp, anyway. That should pair up with your cab nicely.

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Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2018 6:29 pm
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It's funny that you mentioned Sears Silvertone, since they want a lot of money for those things these days, or a lot of those models. I guess because it's "vintage" or collectible. Yeah, I'm not going to give it away, because it would also defeat the purpose of selling it in the first place. I need enough funds to get what I want, and as it is, I think it's a good deal. Hell, I'm even throwing in a Speakon cable for free. That thing wasn't exactly dirt cheap.

I think the Bassman 500 sounds like a good choice, if you really don't need the Bassman 800, and it's also typically $200 cheaper, unless you find one on some sort of special for cheaper. It's about the same specs you have with your current amp, anyway. That should pair up with your cab nicely.


From the Fender specs, other than the 500/800 watts, they stack up identical. More volume, and $200. more for the 800 over the 500.
One thing I've had banging around in my head, keep the TX600, and add another HD210 cab. Two 8 ohm cabs @ 4 ohms making the TX600 out put at 600 watts. Either way would work for me.

The Sears Silvertone I had was back in 1967/1968. A 2X12 cab, and I forget what the wattage was on it. A darn well made amp. A lot of bands used either Fender Bassman's, or the Silvertones for PA's. Pre Kustom, or Shure PA's.

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Post subject: Re: Ric 4003 Jetglo
Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2018 8:09 pm
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That would be an interesting combo, with two 2 x 10" cabs. Usually, people just have a 4 x 10" cab if they wanted more than two 10" speakers. Either that, or they might tack on a 15", or an 18", which I did when I had one. Then again, the 2 x 10" cab that I had wasn't really efficient on it's own, though. It didn't handle a lot of lows too well, but it was also a Carvin cab. Not exactly the top of the line for bass stuff. The cool thing about that, is you could set those up in a stereo fashion, since they are the same type of cabs, if you have the space to do that. If I ever got another 4 x 10" cab, I might do that, as well. Space permitting, of course. Most likely would wind up stacking the two, though. If you're not so sure about swapping out the head, maybe you should do a side by side comparison, if possible. Do they have those amps at any music shop in your area?

Here's a site that covers those old Silvertone amps, and guitars: http://www.silvertoneworld.net/default.html I'm sure they have the one you had listed in there. I've always thought it would be cool to have one of those dual purpose amps in a 60's themed music room in a house to jam out through. You know, the furniture, like those ball chairs, lava lamps, psychedelic posters, and Indian tapestries, and records. The whole bit. I wouldn't gig with one, though. Maybe record with it, if possible. Of course, that would be nice to have the space to where you could have that kind of room to begin with.

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