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Post subject: this is the new standard of construction fender?
Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 2:44 pm
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Hi all,

I have a 2016 jazz bass American Standard Olympic White,
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bx9vbJ0uWLFLa2NUQkpIVzlmWEk

and Saturday I bought a 2016 jazz bass American Pro Sonic Gray
in a physical store near my town
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bx9vbJ0uWLFLVFpualljV3J4NzQ

I have seen that all the latest products from fender jazz bass have space
between the neck and the seat in the body
My jazz bass and All jazz bass and the precision bass made in USA that were in the store
They had a space of between 0.2mm and 0.3mm

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bx9vbJ0uWLFLVC1BUm5fbEhnV2c
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bx9vbJ0uWLFLeExiS2ZWR2lwZGM
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bx9vbJ0uWLFLV2t5MDFvblMySDg
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bx9vbJ0uWLFLQW1oOFJSdTRtV1E

I measured this ... I had with me a 'feeler'

I thought that the seat in the body had to be as accurate as possible with respect to the neck ...
what I say is correct?
has anything changed in the construction philosophy?

Thank you all,
Andrea.


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Post subject: Re: this is the new standard of construction fender?
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 9:00 am
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I doubt there is anything "new" in Fender's construction methods.
Bodies and necks have been CNC machined for a long time now.
I can't say with 100% certainty but I believe they started with the CNC process around the mid 90s.

My 2000 American Deluxe Tele has a slight gap, as does my 1998 American Deluxe Strat.
I bought them both brand new.
No previous owners.
Hence my "nothing new" comment.
The Strat neck has been off one time only.
It came off relatively easy but it certainly didn't fall out all by itself as soon as the screws were out.
A little bit of gently moving the headstock up and down a few times was enough to extract it from the pocket.
The Tele neck has never been off.

You post is not clear as to why this is of concern to you, whether it be appearance or tone.
I feel I have a pretty good "ear".
I notice nothing amiss with the sound of either guitar.
If there is any difference in tone it is an extremely small difference of an order similar to the differences in pieces of wood..
The important point of contact is the clamping force from the neck plate screws.

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Post subject: Re: this is the new standard of construction fender?
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 2:58 pm
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BMW-KTM wrote:
I doubt there is anything "new" in Fender's construction methods.
Bodies and necks have been CNC machined for a long time now.
I can't say with 100% certainty but I believe they started with the CNC process around the mid 90s.

My 2000 American Deluxe Tele has a slight gap, as does my 1998 American Deluxe Strat.
I bought them both brand new.
No previous owners.
Hence my "nothing new" comment.
The Strat neck has been off one time only.
It came off relatively easy but it certainly didn't fall out all by itself as soon as the screws were out.
A little bit of gently moving the headstock up and down a few times was enough to extract it from the pocket.
The Tele neck has never been off.

You post is not clear as to why this is of concern to you, whether it be appearance or tone.
I feel I have a pretty good "ear".
I notice nothing amiss with the sound of either guitar.
If there is any difference in tone it is an extremely small difference of an order similar to the differences in pieces of wood..
The important point of contact is the clamping force from the neck plate screws.


Hi,
Thank you for the reply.

Yes, I knew that working body and the neck was made by CNC machines
but I did not think that the machining tolerance between the body and the neck was so large ...

Aesthetics, no problem for me ...
Sound, it seems to me that both of my Jazz Bass (Am.Std and Am.Pro)
sound good ...

I'm just curious ...
I thought it was important that the seat in the body was precise than the size of the neck.
With 0.2 or 0.3mm of space, the neck (once loosened the screws) comes off without any problem ... too easy.

But what you say reassures me further.

Thank you,
Andrea


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Post subject: Re: this is the new standard of construction fender?
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 3:02 pm
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Hi all,
no other opinion on the issue?

Andrea.


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Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:52 am
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I agree with Matt. After reviewing your photos I don't really see the manufacturing tolerance between the neck and body on either bass as "excessive". I've seen far worse on production instruments, including US-built examples. Obviously the interface should be as snug as practical and on the vintage re-issues and CS models it is, but these are generally hand-fitted and the price for such guitars is higher. Unless there's a problem with sustain, intonation, or tuning stability I'd say you have a pair of pretty nice basses.

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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 2:09 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
I agree with Matt. After reviewing your photos I don't really see the manufacturing tolerance between the neck and body on either bass as "excessive". I've seen far worse on production instruments, including US-built examples. Obviously the interface should be as snug as practical and on the vintage re-issues and CS models it is, but these are generally hand-fitted and the price for such guitars is higher. Unless there's a problem with sustain, intonation, or tuning stability I'd say you have a pair of pretty nice basses.

Arjay


Thank you for the reply Arjay,
It is true that a bass American Standard can not be compared to a CS model ...
but I personally (since the purchase price) would prefer a little more precision in the construction ...
however, what you write, because of my lack of experience, I calms me
I had two bass MIM and now I have two US bass for me and already a big step forward

Andrea.


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Post subject: Re: this is the new standard of construction fender?
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 6:36 pm
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Andrea69 wrote:
but I personally (since the purchase price) would prefer a little more precision in the construction...


I think we all share that sentiment to one degree or another. But unless there's some empirical issue with how your basses play or sound, there's really nothing to be done. And trust me, your ears won't know the difference.

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Post subject: Re: this is the new standard of construction fender?
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 2:56 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
And trust me, your ears won't know the difference.

Arjay


Hi,
Thanks again for your reply,
your experience be for me reassuring
If I still have other questions surely I write here,
here I am sure to find good advice ...

Thank you again.


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Post subject: Re: this is the new standard of construction fender?
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 4:17 pm
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I'm happy to help if I can but I am by training and disposition a guitar player. Brother Dave is the forum's indisputable bass expert with Affprod a very close second.

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